January 28, 2013 - Michael Shellenberger

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The TSA abandons nude scanners, Australia and conservatives cope with climate change, North Korea goes after America, and Michael Shellenberger debates energy sources.

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>> Stephen: TONIGHT, OBAMA FIGHTS CLIMATE CHANGE EVEN THOUGH CHANGE WAS HIS CAMPAIGN SLOGAN.

FLIP FLOP!

[ LAUGHTER ]

THEN, TENSIONS RISE IN NORTH KOREA.

NOT ABOVE 5'5", BUT YOU KNOW--

[ LAUGHTER ]

AND MY GUEST, MICHAEL SHELLENBERGER, IS AN ENVIRONMENTALIST WHO BELIEVES IN NUCLEAR ENERGY.

FINALLY, LIBERALS THAT GLOW IN THE DARK.

[ LAUGHTER ]

AXE BODY SPRAY HAS ANNOUNCED A CONTEST THAT WILL SEND THE WINNER TO SPACE.

STILL NOT FAR ENOUGH TO GET AWAY FROM THE SMELL.

[CHEERS AND APPLAUSE]

WELCOME!

BOOM!

BOOM!

WOO!

[CHEERS AND APPLAUSE]

[CROWD CHANTING STEPHEN]

>> Stephen: YES!

YES!

YES!

[CHEERS AND APPLAUSE]

ABSOLUTELY.

WELCOME.

[CHEERS AND APPLAUSE]

YES, PLEASE.

THANK YOU, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN.

[CHEERS AND APPLAUSE]

WELCOME BACK.

PLEASE.

LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, THOSE BASTARDS HAVE HAD A FREE RIDE LONG ENOUGH.

IT ENDS TONIGHT.

NATION, PRESIDENT OBAMA'S SECOND TERM IS ONLY A WEEK OLD, AND ALREADY WE ARE ONE WEEK CLOSER

TO DYING.

WELCOME TO OBAMACARE.

[ LAUGHTER ]

AND THE PRESIDENT IS DROPPING THE BALL ON HOMELAND SECURITY.

>> THE TSA IS REMOVING THE BODY SCANNERS THAT PRODUCE A NAKED IMAGE OF THE PASSENGERS BODIES.

YOU REMEMBER THOSE?

THEY'RE BEING REMOVED BC THE COMPANY THAT MANUFACTURES THEM COULDN'T MEET A DEADLINE TO

INSTALL THE PRIVACY SOFTWARE.

THEY'RE GOING TO BE REPLACED WITH OTHER SCANNERS THAT PRODUCE A GENERIC OUTLINE OF THE

PASSENGER'S BODY.

>> Stephen: A GENERIC OUTLINE OF THE BODY?

[ LAUGHTER ]

HOW CAN I LEGALLY SHOW THE TSA MY PENIS NOW?

[ LAUGHTER ]

I USED TO WRITE THEM LITTLE MESSAGES IN LEAD-BASED PAINT.

[ LAUGHTER ]

LIKE "GOOD MORNING" OR "ALL EVIDENCE TO THE CONTRARY, I DO "NOT" WISH TO HAVE A KOSHER

MEAL."

[ LAUGHTER ]

OR ON A PARTICULAR CHILLY DAY, "HI."

[ LAUGHTER ]

THE TSA'S JUST CAVING TO PRESSURE BECAUSE THE SCANNERS WERE CRITICIZED FOR BEING TOO INVASIVE.

OH, PLEASE!

WHAT IS INVASIVE ABOUT A TECHNOLOGY CALLED, AND I THINK I'M PRONOUNCING THIS CORRECTLY RAPE-I-SCAN?

[ LAUGHTER ]

THIS IS A MISTAKE, NATION.

NOW, WE'LL NEVER COMPLETE OUR NATIONAL DATABASE OF RADICAL ISLAMIC NAUGHTY PARTS.

[ LAUGHTER ]

WE'D ALREADY ESTABLISHED A PROFILE, YOUNG AND LEANING TO THE RIGHT.

[ LAUGHTER ]

PLUS, IT WAS A DETERRENT.

TERRORISTS ARE KNOWN FOR THEIR MODESTY.

THAT'S WHY KHALID SHEIKH MUHAMMAD WAS WEARING A T-SHIRT OVER THAT SWEATER.

[ LAUGHTER ]

FASHION FANS HERE.

LAUGH THE WORST PART IS, WITHOUT THESE SCANNERS, I HAVE NO REASON TO LAUGH STAY IN SHAPE ANY MORE.

[ LAUGHTER ]

SURE, EXERCISE WILL MAKE ME LOOK BETTER, FEEL BETTER, BE MORE ATTRACTIVE, BUT IF A GOVERNMENT

EMPLOYEE GETTING PAID TEN BUCKS AN HOUR DOESN'T SEE HOW I'VE SHAVED INCHES OFF MY MUFFIN TOP,

WHY EVEN FLY ANYMORE?

[ LAUGHTER ]

I MIGHT AS WELL TAKE THE BUS,

SCANNER TO FLASH PEOPLE YOUR JUNK.

[ LAUGHTER ]

NOW, FOLKS, MY GUEST TONIGHT A MAN NAMED MICHAEL SHELLENBERGER.

HE IS AN ENVIRONMENTAL STRATEGIST WHO BELIEVES THAT WE NEED NEW THINKING WHEN IT COMES

TO THE BATTLE AGAINST GLOBAL WARMING. I AGREE.

MY OLD THINKING WAS "WHAT GLOBAL WARMING?"

[ LAUGHTER ]

NOW, I BEGAN TO BELIEVE IN GLOBAL WARMING AFTER AL GORE'S MOVIE MADE MONEY.

[ LAUGHTER ]

THE MARKET HAD SPOKEN.

IT'S THE SAME REASON I BELIEVE OUR CHILDREN ARE FIGHTING TO THE DEATH IN CAPITOL CITY.

[ LAUGHTER ]

AND THE EVIDENCE IS GROWING.

LOOK NO FURTHER THAN AUSTRALIA, WHICH WAS JUST SIMULTANEOUSLY BATTERED BY TYPHOONS, WILDFIRES,

AND RECORD HEAT.

AND THAT'S IN JANUARY.

IMAGINE WHAT IT'S LIKE THERE IN THE SUMMER.

[ LAUGHTER ]

BUT LADIES AND GENTLEMEN --

[ LAUGHTER ]

-- AUSTRALIA DIDN'T TAKE THIS LYING DOWN.

THEY STRUCK BACK WITH NEW TECHNOLOGIES.

>> WE KNOW GLOBAL WARMING HAS CREATED SUCH EXTREME WEATHER IN AUSTRALIA, THE COUNTRY'S BUREAU

OF METEOROLOGY HAS ADDED TWO NEW COLORS TO THE COUNTRY'S WEATHER MAPS, AN INCANDESCENT PURPLE AND

MAGENTA, SO THE MAPS CAN FAITHFULLY REPRESENT TEMPERATURES LIKE 125 DEGREES FAHRENHEIT.

>> Stephen: YES, NEW MAP COLORS.

I BELIEVE THE TEMPERATURE COLOR WHEEL GOES ORANGE, RED, PURPLE, MAGENTA, FEVER BLISTER, AND

SATAN'S TAINT.

[ LAUGHTER ]

BUT WHAT'S REALLY DISTURBING ABOUT THIS CONTINENT ON FIRE IS THAT IT'S GOT PEOPLE WANTING TO

DO SOMETHING ABOUT GLOBAL WARMING.

AND THAT BRINGS US TO TONIGHT'S WORD.

[CHEERS AND APPLAUSE]

THE NEW ABNORMAL.

LAST WEEK, PRESIDENT OBAMA CYNICALLY USED THE INAUGURAL ADDRESS TO PUSH HIS RADICAL

PRO-SURVIVAL AGENDA.

>> WE WILL RESPOND TO THE THREAT OF CLIMATE CHANGE.

THE PATH TOWARDS SUSTAINABLE ENERGY SOURCES WILL BE LONG AND SOMETIMES DIFFICULT, BUT AMERICA

CANNOT RESIST THIS TRANSITION.

>> Stephen: I DIDN'T THINK THIS PART OF HIS SPEECH WOULD GET ANY TRACTION.

IT'S LIKE IF JFK ANNOUNCED THE APOLLO PROGRAM BUT HALF THE COUNTRY DENIED THE MOON EXISTS.

[ LAUGHTER ]

BUT I WAS SHOCKED WHEN I SAW A NEW POLL THAT FOUND 78% OF RESPONDENTS BELIEVED THE PLANET

HAD WARMED OVER THE PAST 100 YEARS.

THE OTHER 22% BURST INTO FLAMES

[ LAUGHTER ]

EVEN KOCH BROTHERS-FUNDED BELIEVE THAT INDIA IS OUT THERE SCRUBBING THEIR COAL TO MAKE IT

NICE AND CLEAN?

>> I DON'T THINK YOU CAN DO MUCH ABOUT IT UNLESS YOU WANT TO DE-INDUSTRIALIZE CHINA AND INDIA

AND ALL THESE DEVELOPING COUNTRIES.

WHAT CAN YOU DO ABOUT IT?

[ LAUGHTER ]

>> Stephen: THANKS, FOR LITERALLY NOTHING, GUYS.

[ LAUGHTER ]

BUT AS LITTLE AS THAT ATTITUDE HELPS, PERHAPS NO ONE OFFERS MORE NOTHING THAN CNN

CONSERVATIVE COMMENTATOR AND INERTIAL LUMP ERICK ERICKSON.

[ LAUGHTER ]

>> REALLY THE BIGGEST PROBLEM IS, WHAT DOES IT MATTER?

WE COULD SHUT DOWN PRODUCTION OF EVERYTHING TOMORROW THAT CAUSES GREENHOUSE GASES AND CHINA AND

INDIA AREN'T.

AND EVEN IF EVERYONE DID, THE EFFECTS WOULDN'T TAKE EFFECT 'TIL A HUNDRED YEARS FROM NOW.

>> Stephen: YEAH, WHAT'S THE POINT OF GOING TO ALL THAT TROUBLE, IF ME AND ERICK

ERICKSON WON'T BE AROUND TO ENJOY IT?

[ LAUGHTER ]

SURE, OUR GRANDKIDS WILL, BUT I DON'T WANT TO BE ONE OF THOSE GRANDPAS WHO SPOILS HIS

GRANDKIDS WITH A HABITABLE PLANET.

[ LAUGHTER ]

IT'S THE SAME REASON I WON'T BUY LIFE INSURANCE.

I GET HIT BY A BUS AND MY FAMILY GETS RICH?

SORRY, BUT I DON'T WANT ANYBODY HAPPY AT MY FUNERAL.

[ LAUGHTER ]

BUT THAT WASN'T ERICKSON'S ONLY NON-SOLUTION.

HE DUG DOWN DEEP AND HELPED EVEN LESS.

>> IT SEEMS LIKE IT'S A PROBLEM WE PROBABLY HAVE TO GET USED TO AS OPPOSED TO SOMETHING WE CAN CURE.

>> Stephen: YES, WE JUST NEED TO GET USED TO IT.

ERICKSON HAS FINALLY HIT THE FIFTH STAGE OF CONSERVATIVE CLIMATE CHANGE GRIEF: DENIAL, DENIAL, DENIAL, DENIAL,

AND ACCEPTANCE.

[ LAUGHTER ]

NOW, SURE, AMERICA BEAT TOJO; WE CRUSHED HITLER; WE PUT A MAN ON THE MOON, BUT INCREMENTALLY

REDUCING Co2 EMISSIONS?

THAT SOUNDS LIKE WORK.

[ LAUGHTER ]

HOW CAN WE FIGHT AN ENEMY WE CAN'T EVEN SEE?!

GET OUT OF HERE!

GET OUT OF HERE!

DID I HIT IT?

I DON'T KNOW.

[ LAUGHTER ]

SO, IT'S HIGH TIME WE STOP TRYING TO SOLVE THE PROBLEM AND RESIGN OURSELVES TO EACH DAY

GETTING WORSE.

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BECAUSE WHEN ERICK ERICKSON SAYS, "GET USED IT," HE MEANS CITY-SWALLOWING STORMS, MASS

EXTINCTIONS, DEADLY HEATWAVES, CRIPPLING FLOODS, AND DROUGHTS THAT MAKE A DESERT OUT OF OKLAHOMA.

[ LAUGHTER ]

THAT'S JUST HOW IT IS NOW.

OUR PROBLEMS ARE JUST TOO BIG TO CURE.

SO JOIN ME AND ERICK.

GIVE UP, CRAWL INTO BED WITH A CHEESECAKE AND WAIT FOR DEATH.

[ LAUGHTER ]

NOW SURE, THE ONLY THING WORSE THAN GLOBAL WARMING ITSELF MIGHT BE KNOWING YOU'RE DESTROYING THE

PLANET AND DOING NOTHING, BUT IF GUYS LIKE ERICK HAVE THEIR WAY, YOU BETTER GET USED TO IT.

[ LAUGHTER ]

[CHEERS AND APPLAUSE]

>> Stephen: WELCOME BACK, EVERYBODY.

THANKS SO MUCH.

[CHEERS AND APPLAUSE]

FOLKS, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE ENEMIES OF THIS COUNTRY WHO WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE US

DESTROYED, AND IT IS MY JOB TO WORRY ABOUT THEM AT YOU.

[ LAUGHTER ]

SO IT'S TIME FOR ANOTHER EDITION OF AXIS OF EVIL OF THE WEEK.

NOW, I'M ON RECORD AS ANTI-NORTH KOREA.

THAT RECORD?

"PYONG-YANK ME. SONGS IN THE KEY OF RAGE."

[ LAUGHTER ]

NOW, FOLKS, THE KOREAN WAR WAS ONE OF AMERICA'S LONGEST CONFLICTS-- IF I REMEMBER MY

HISTORY, OUR TROOPS WERE STUCK THERE FOR 11 ZANY, YET THOUGHT-PROVOKING YEARS.

[ LAUGHTER ]

WELL THIS TIME, NORTH KOREA HAS FINALLY GONE TOO FAR.

>> BOLD NEW THREATS FROM NORTH KOREA AIMED DIRECTLY AT THE UNITED STATES.

THE COMMUNIST NATION SAYS IT PLANS TO CARRY OUT A NUCLEAR TEST AND MORE LONG-RANGE ROCKET LAUNCHES.

>> STATE MEDIA MADE THE ANNOUNCEMENT THAT NORTH KOREA WAS LOCKED IN AN ALL-OUT WAR OF

CONFRONTATION WITH ITS ARCH ENEMY, THE UNITED STATES.

>> IT'S ARCHENEMY, THE UNITED STATES.

>> Stephen: WHOA, ARCHENEMIES?

FOLKS, THIS IS A SERIOUS INCREASE IN HOSTILITIES AND I CANNOT SIT IDLY BY WHILE THEY

MAKE THESE THREATS.

SO I WANT TO SAY SOMETHING RIGHT NOW TO NORTH KOREA.

HEEEEEY.

[ LAUGHTER ]

HEEEEEY.

[ LAUGHTER ]

DEMOCRATIC PEOPLE'S REPUBLIC OF KOREA.

WE NEED TO TALK.

[ LAUGHTER ]

LOOK, UHH, WE'RE FLATTERED THAT YOU THINK OF US AS ARCHENEMIES, BUT THAT'S KIND OF TAKING OUR RELATIONSHIP

TO A WHOLE OTHER LEVEL.

KIND OF A BIG COMMITMENT AND I'M NOT SURE WE'RE READY FOR THAT.

[ LAUGHTER ]

I MEAN WE JUST GOT OUT OF A 50-YEAR ARCHENEMY THING WITH THE SOVIETS AND THAT WAS REALLY SPECIAL.

[ LAUGHTER ]

YOU'RE LUCKY IF YOU HATE SOMEBODY LIKE THAT ONCE IN A LIFETIME.

[ LAUGHTER ]

AND SINCE THEN WE THOUGHT WE'D PLAY THE FIELD.

TRIED TO HAVE SOME QUICKIES WITH IRAQ AND AFGHANISTAN, BUT IT'S JUST DRAGGING ON.

THE TALIBAN WILL NOT STOP CALLING US.

DON'T GET ME WRONG, YOU'RE TERRIBLE AND WE HATE YOU.

[ LAUGHTER ]

BUT ARCHENEMIES?

WHY WOULD YOU WANT TO TAKE A CHANCE AND RUIN WHAT WE ALREADY HAVE?

RIGHT NOW WE'RE FOES WITH BENEFITS AND THAT'S GREAT.

YOU LAUNCH SOME ROCKETS, WE IMPOSE SOME SANCTIONS, AND THERE'S NO PRESSURE TO STAY OVER

AT EACH OTHER'S COUNTRIES.

WHRAF LAUGH.

[ LAUGHTER ]

HONESTLY, NORTH KOREA, CAN I JUST SAY SOMETHING TO YOU NEMESIS TO NEMESIS?

HAVE YOU THOUGHT ABOUT LOOKING -- THOUGHT ABOUT THAT NEIGHBOR OF YOURS, SOUTH KOREA?

YOU TWO HAVE SO MUCH IN COMMON.

THERE'S A HISTORY THERE.

AND I KNOW FOR A FACT THAT THEY REALLY, REALLY DON'T LIKE YOU.

[ LAUGHTER ]

MAYBE THE ONE YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO HATE HAS BEEN RIGHT UNDER YOUR DEMILITARIZED ZONE THIS WHOLE TIME.

[ LAUGHTER ]

I GUESS WHAT I'M TRYING TO SAY IS: WE LOATHE YOU; WE'RE JUST NOT IN LOATHE WITH YOU.

[ LAUGHTER ]

[CHEERS AND APPLAUSE]

SO LET'S JUST KEEP OUR WRATH PLATONIC.

WE CAN STILL RATTLE EACH OTHER'S SWORDS, BUT UNTIL THESE FEELINGS BLOW OVER, DON'T THREATEN US,

WE'LL THREATEN YOU.

[ LAUGHTER ]

[CHEERS AND APPLAUSE]

>> Stephen: MY GUEST TONIGHT BELIEVES THAT ENVIRONMENTALISTS SHOULD CONSIDER NUCLEAR POWER.

I'LL SEE IF I CAN MAKE HIM MELTDOWN.

PLEASE WELCOME MICHAEL SHELLENBERGER.

[CHEERS AND APPLAUSE]

THANKS SO MUCH FOR COMING ON.

>> THANKS FOR HAVING ME.

>> Stephen: I KNOW YOU ARE AN ENVIRONMENTALIST BECAUSE YOU ARE NOT WEARING A TIE.

>> YES.

>> Stephen: BUT YOU ARE RADICAL BECAUSE YOU ARE VERY WELL COIFFERD.

>> THANK YOU.

>> Stephen: YOU ARE PRESIDENT AND COFOUNDER OF BREAKTHROUGH INSTITUTE COAUTHOR OF THE BOOK

BREAKTHROUGH WHICH MADE A SPLASH A COUPLE YEARS AGO AND A NEW E-BOOK.

WHAT IS YOUR NEW IDEA FOR SAVING THE ENVIRONMENT?

>> THE BIG IDEA IS WE SPENT 20 YEARS ON GLOBAL WARMING TRYING TO MAKE FOSSIL FUELS MORE EXPENSIVE.

THAT DIDN'T WORK.

THERE'S AN IMPORTANT SHIFT THAT NEEDS TO BE MADE TO MAKING CLEAN ENERGY SAFE.

>> Stephen: WHAT IS YOUR IDEA CLEAN COAL?

>> ALL THE TECHNOLOGIES.

>> Stephen: CLEAN COAX YOU ARE ON BOARD.

>> IF THEY CAN FIGURE OUT A WAY TO CHEAPLY CAPT TIEWRT COAL IT NEEDS TO BE PUT ON THE LIST.

>> Stephen: CLEAN COOL.

THAT TAKES CARE OF ALL OF IT.

YOU ARE NOT LIKE A TREE HUGGER KIND OF GUY, RIGHT?

>> I AM SORT OF A TREE HUGGER.

>> Stephen: YOU ARE?

THEY DON'T HUG YOU BACK.

IT'S A ONE-WAY RELATIONSHIP.

>> MOST PEOPLE WHAT THEY CARE ABOUT IS, YOU KNOW, THINGS ON THE ECONOMY AND JOBS.

I THINK WE SAY LOOK, WE ALL CARE ABOUT THE SAME THINGS.

WE WANT THE SAME THINGS FROM ENERGY, WE WANT IT TO BE CHEAP, RELIABLE AND INCREASINGLY CLEAN.

THAT'S WHAT WE'VE GOTTEN OVER THE CENTURIES.

WE'VE GONE FROM WOOD TO COAL, COAL TO GAS AND RENEWABLES.

IT'S DONE THROUGH TECHNOLOGY INNOVATIONS.

IT'S SOMETHING AMERICANS ARE GOOD AT.

>> Stephen: SO YOU ARE ON BOARD FOR THE NUKES?

>> YEAH, LIKE A LOT OF PEOPLE I WAS REALLY IN LOVE WITH SMALL IS BEAUTIFUL WITH SOLAR PANELS ON

MY ROOF AND ELECTRIC CAR IN THE DRIVEWAY AND WIND FARMS AND A NUMBER OF OUR FRIENDS POINTED

OUT TO US LOOK THE SUN DOESN'T ALWAYS SHINE, THE WIND DOESN'T ALWAYS BLOW AND THE WORLD WILL

CONSUME TWICE AS MUCH ENERGY BY 2050 AS IT DOES TODAY.

WE NEED A LOT OF INNOVATION TO MAKE CLEAN ENERGY A LOT CHEAPER.

>> Stephen: WHY NOT CONSERVATION?

YOU ARE SAYING WE'RE IF THE GOING TO USE MORE ENERGY.

I LOVE USING ENERGY, DON'T GET ME WRONG.

I TURN ON A LIGHT IN A ROOM IN MY HOUSE IT STAYS BURNING UNTIL I GO TO BED.

I WANT IT TO BE THERE WHEN I LEAVE LIKE IT'S MY FRIEND WAITING FOR ME.

WHEN THE LIGHTS ARE OUT THE HOUSE FEELS SAD.

>> THE ECONOMY IS MORE EFFICIENT AT USING ENERGY OVER TIME BUT WE FIND NEW USES FOR ENERGY.

BUT CONASSUMPTION IS GOING UP.

MOST THINK WE'LL DOUBLE AS MUCH BY 2050 AS CHINA, AND INDIAN AND BRAZIL GET HIGHER LIVING

STANDARDS LIKE THE UNITED STATES AND EUROPE.

IF YOU WANT TO AVOID DANGEROUS LEVELS OF CLIMATE CHANGE AND CLEAN AIR YOU NEED MORE CLEAN

ENERGY AND MOST OF IT HAS TO BE FROM CLEAN SOURCES STEENCHT YOU DON'T FEEL LIKE THE OLD JIMMY

CARTER WEARING A SWEATER LET'S ALL MAKE OUR CLOTHING OUT OF HEMP ENVIRONMENTALIST TO ME.

WHAT IS DIFFERENT ABOUT YOU BREAKTHROUGH GUYS?

>> I THINK THIS IS THE CENTRAL ISSUE IT'S ABOUT EMBRACING TECHNOLOGY.

THAT'S WHY WE WROTE THE BOOK CALLED "LOVE YOUR MONSTERS." WE SHOULD TREAT OUR TECHNOLOGIES

LIKE OUR CHILDREN BEGUN OUR CREATIONS.

WHEN THEY FAIL US, WHEN THEY DISAPPOINT US YOU DON'T ABANDON THEM, YOU IMPROVE THEM.

MAKE THEM BETTER.

>> Stephen: YOU SAY LIKE FRANKEN STYNE.

>> EXACTLY.

ONE OF ESSAYS IS WE MISUNDERSTOOD FRANKEN STYNE.

THE LESSON IS NOT TO CREATE NEW TECHNOLOGIES OR LIFE EVEN THE LESSON IS WE SHOULD NEVER

ABANDEN OUR CREATIONS.

DR. FRANKEN STYNE SAW THE CREATION, IT WASN'T LIKE HE EXPECTED IT AND HE ABANDONED IT.

THAT'S WHAT TURNED HIS CREATURE INTO A MONSTER.

>> Stephen: THAT'S WHAT NUCLEAR ENERGY BECAME FOR US IN THE 70s.

THREE MILE ISLAND WE ABANDONED IT EVEN THOUGH IT NEEDED LOVE, EVEN THOUGH IT HAD THROWN THAT

GIRL IN THE LAKE.

[ LAUGHTER ]

>> THE TECHNOLOGY WE USED TO POWER NUCLEAR SUBMARINES IT WAS THE WRONG TECHNOLOGY.

THERE'S MUCH BETTER.

>> Stephen: WHAT KIND OF TECHNOLOGY?

>> LIQUID METAL, FUELS, OTHER FUELS.

>> Stephen: SORIIUM.

I SEE THAT ONLINE ALL THE TIME.

>> THERE'S A HALF DOZEN TECHNOLOGIES WE HAVEN'T DONE ENOUGH TO PUSH.

IN 1994 CONGRESS CUT AN IMPORTANT EXPERIMENTAL PROGRAM.

IT GOT CONFUSED WITH NUCLEAR WEAPONS.

COUNTRY DON'T PURSUE NUCLEAR WEAPONS BECAUSE THEY HAVE --

>> Stephen: YOU BELIEVE IRAN IS NOT PURSUING NUCLEAR WEAPONS.

>> NEW YORK CITY THEY ARE.

WE KNOW THAT.

>> Stephen: YOU JUST SAID THEY ARE NOT.

YOU ARE NOT WEARING A TIE AND A BEARD.

ARE YOU IRANIAN.

>> IRAN WANTS A NUCLEAR WEAPON.

THERE'S 33 COUNTRIES IN THE WORLD WELL NUCLEAR ENERGY AND THE CAPABILITY TO WILD A BOMB

AND THEY DON'T WANT IT.

>> Stephen: YOU ARE IN A FILM IN THE SUNDANCE FEST VAL CALLED PANDORA'S PROMISE.

YOU COME OUT AS PRONUCLEAR ENERGY.

THAT'S LIBERAL HEAVEN.

BOB REDFORD STARTED THE SUNDANCE FESTIVAL.

CAN YOU SAY PRONUKE AROUND HIM.

LEGALLY REDFORD COULD HUNT YOU FOR SPORT.

[ LAUGHTER ]

YOU ARE OSTRACIZED FOR SAYING THINGS LIKE WE MIGHT HAVE TO EMBRACE COAL, NATURAL GAS, FRACKING?

AND NUKES.

YOU ARE MY KIND OF LIBERAL.

GOOD LUCK GET US TO LOVE FRANKEN STYNE.

>> THANKS, ST

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