May 12, 2014 - Glenn Greenwald

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Michael Sam becomes the NFL's first openly gay draft pick, conspiracy theories swirl around Monica Lewinsky's Vanity Fair essay, and Glenn Greenwald talks "No Place to Hide."

(CHEERS AND APPLAUSE)>> STEPHEN, STEPHEN,

STEPHEN!

STEPHEN, STEPHEN, STEPHEN!

>> Stephen: WELCOME TO THEREPORT, EVERYBODY.

GOOD TO HAVE YOU WITH US.

NATION, I HOPE YOU HAD AGOOD WEEKEND.

I KNOW I DID.

FOLKS, WHAT AN INCREDIBLEAND EXCITING WEEKEND.

I DONE KNOW IF YOU HAD TIMETO DO THIS, I DON'T

KNOW-- THANKS.

FOLKS, I DON'T KNOW IF YOUHAD TIME TO CATCH UP ON

YOUR TV VIEWING THIS WEEKEND.

I HOPE DID YOU BECAUSE IFYOU DID, FOLKS, IF YOU

MANAGED TO WATCH SOME TVTHIS WEEKEND, I HOPE YOU

CAUGHT UP ON THE NFL DRAFT.

BECAUSE IT'S ONLY PLACETHESE DAYS YOU CAN STILL SEE

COLLEGE GRADUATES GETTINGJOBS.

AS ALWAYS THE BIG STORY WASWHICH PLAYER WOULD BE THE

NUMBER ONE PICK.

OF THE LAST 8 PICKS OFTHE 7th ROUND.

>> IN THE 2014 NFL DRAFT,THE ST. LOUIS RAMS SELECT

MICHAEL SAM DEFENSIVE END.

>> MICHAEL SAM DRAFTED BYTHE ST. LOUIS RAMS BECOMING

THE FIRST OPENLY GAY PLAYEREVER DRAFTED.

>> Stephen: FIRST OPENLY GAYPLAYER, IMPORTANT

DISTINCTION BECAUSE I THINKWE'VE ALL HAD OUR QUESTIONS

ABOUT THE DALLAS COWBOYSMASCOT ROWDY.

ME THINKS HE DOTH KERCHIEFTOO MUCH.

AND MICHAEL SAM'S WAR ONTRADITIONAL GRIDIRON VALUES

STARTED AS SOON AS HE GOTTHE PHONE CALL.

>> THIS IS THE MOMENT WHEREMICHAEL SAM GOT THE NEWS

THAT HE IS GOING TO BE AMEMBER OF THE ST. LOUIS

RAMS.

THERE YOU SEE THE RAWEMOTION.

(LAUGHTER)>> Stephen: HOLDING!

(LAUGHTER)>> Stephen: HOLDING!

UNNECESSARY TENDERNESS.

FOLKS THIS IS JUST WRONG.

IN THE NFL SEXUALITY ISSUPPOSED TO TAKE PLACE OFF

CAMERA.

AND THE FANS SHOULD ONLYFIND OUT ABOUT IT WHEN THE

CHARGES ARE FILED.

FOLK, I'M UPSET AND I'M NOTTHE ONLY ONE.

>> JONES OF THE DOLPHINSTWEETED OMG AND HORRIBLE.

>> FORMER SUPER BOWLCHAMPION TWEETED QUOTE I'M

SORRY BUT THAT MICHAEL SAMIS NO BUENO FOR DOING THAT

ON NATIONAL TV.

MAN YOU, YOU GOT LITTLE KIDSLOOKING AT THE DRAFT.

>> Stephen: YEAH, NO BUENO.

KIDS ARE WATCHING.

NOW WE'LL HAVE TO ANSWERTHEIR UNCOMFORTABLE

QUESTIONS LIKE DADDY, CAN WESTOP WATCHING THE 7th ROUND

OF THE NFL DRAFT?

IT'S BEEN 48 HOURS AND IWANT TO GO TO SLEEP.

(APPLAUSE)LISTEN UP, YOU CAN SLEEP

ONCE THE STEELERS FILL THEHOLES IN THEIR SECONDARY,

YOUNG MAN.

NOW FOLKS DON'T GET MEWRONG, I'M A TOLERANT GUY, I

DON'T CARE WHO YOU LOVE ASLONG AS YOU CAN LAUNCH

YOUR BODY AT ANOTHER MAN'SSKULL LIKE A MISSILE

MADE OF PURE HATE BUT THISKISS MADE PEOPLE

UNCOMFORTABLE.

JUST ASK AN EXPERT ON MAKINGPEOPLE UNCOMFORTABLE.

>> I THOUGHT WHEN HE, YOUKNOW, WHEN HE WAS REALLY

GOING AT IT, I MEAN WHETHER-- IHAVEN'T SEEN ANYTHING LIKE THAT

IN A WHILE, HE WAS REALLY GOINGAT IT.

>> YEAH, THEY WERE REALLYGOING AT IT THAT IS SOME

HARD-CORE CLOSED LIPBRIEF AND AFFECTIONATE PECKING.

FOLKS, I SAY THAT THAT KISSTHAT KISS ALONE PROVES THAT

SAM SHOULDN'T BE IN THE NFL.

HE SHOULD BE IN THE MLBBECAUSE THE MOMENT HE WAS

DRAFTED HE HEADED TO FIRST BASE.

>> NATION-- SORRY, NATION, ILOVE A GOOD COMEBACK STORY,

THAT'S WHY MY FAVORITE ROCKYMOVIE IS THE ONE WITH ROCKY

IN IT.

SO I WAS THRILLED TO HEARTHAT ONE OF THE BIGGEST

STARS OF THE 1990s IS MAKINGA HUGE COMEBACK.

>> MONICA LEWINSKY, THAT'SHER RIGHT THERE.

>> SHE'S WRITTEN AN ARTICLEIN "VANITY FAIR".

>> SHE'S BACK.

>> YUP, SHE'S BACK.

>> SHE'S BACK.

>> GUESS WHO'S BACK.

>> YES, SHE'S BACK.

THAT'S WHY WE SOUND SO UPSET.

LEWINSKY WROTE THE COVERSTORY FOR THIS MONTH'S

"VANITY FAIR" TITLED SHAMEAND SURVIVOR.

IT'S LIKE PRIDE ANDPREJUDICE ONLY THE HEROINE

ISN'T THE ONE WHO GOTTHE HAPPY ENDING.

FOR THOSE OF YOU BORN AFTERTHE LEWINSKY SCANDAL FIRST,

CONGRATULATIONS ON GETTINGYOUR LEARNER'S PERMIT.

SECOND, MONICA LEWINSKY ISTHE FORMER WHITE HOUSE

INTERN WHOSE AFFAIR WITHBILL CLINTON PARALYZED OUR

GOVERNMENT AS CONGRESSATTACKED THE PRESIDENT WITH

A PATHOLOGICAL HOSTILITY,BUT HE WAS WHITE SO IT

BACKFIRED.

NOW LEWINSKY'S RETURN ISGREAT NEWS FOR REPUBLICANS

BECAUSE THIS REMINDER OF THEDARKEST CHAPTER OF THE

CLINTON LEGACY COMES RIGHTBEFORE HILLARY LAUNCHES HER

2016 PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN.

NOW THAT CAMPAIGN IS OVER.

IT'S DONE, TAKE TAFT'S BATHTUBOUT OF STORAGE BECAUSE WE'RE

GETTING PRESIDENT CHRISCHRISTIE.

>> Stephen: IT'S EXACTLYWHAT HILLARY WANTS US TO

THINK.

BECAUSE IN REALITY, THIS ISALL PART OF HER PLAN.

>> I HONESTLY THINK THIS ISPART OF THE CLINTON PLAN OF

SORT OF TRYING TO GET THISOUT THERE NOW.

>> WHY NOW?

THERE'S A LOT OF CONSPIRACYTHEORIES FLOATING OUT ON THE

TIMING OF THIS ARTICLE.

>> THE TIMING IS CERTAINLYCOMING UNDER QUESTION.

>> Stephen: YES, THE TIMINGIS CERTAINLY COMING UNDER

QUESTION.

WHAT QUESTIONS?

WELL, THERE'S ONE RIGHTTHERE.

BUT ARE THERE OTHERQUESTIONS? THAT MAKES TWO.

AND FOLKS WHENS THERE'S ACONSPIRACY AFOOT I FIND THE

TRUTH IN MY LONG TWICERUNNING SEGMENT STEPHEN

COLBERT'S [BLEEP]SERIOUS.

NATION, PREPARE TO HAVE YOURMIND BLOWN AS I EXPOSE THE

SECRET NETWORKS OF POWERCONSPIRING TO CONTROL OUR

EVERY MOVE FOR INSTANCESOMEHOW MY TELEPROMPTER

KNOWS EVERYTHING I'M GOINGTO SAY BEFORE I SAY IT.

LIKE THIS SENTENCE I'MSAYING RIGHT NOW NO MATTER

HOW FAST I SAY IT, EGGPLANT,TUBE SOCK, POTATO SALAD, ALL

THOSE WORDS ARE ALREADY INTHERE.

FOLKS, HILLARY WAS BEHINDTHIS ARTICLE JUST AS SURELY

AS SHE WAS BEHIND THE WOMANWHO THREW A SHOE AT HER LAST

MONTH.

I MEAN IF SHE WERE NOT ANEVIL MANIPULATER WHY IS MY

IMPRESSION OF HER THIS.

(APPLAUSE)BUT THE QUESTION IS WHY DID

HILLARY WANT THIS NEWS OUTNOW.

>> TIMING OF IT BENEFITSHILLARY, IT IS GOOD TO GET

IT OUT THERE TALK ABOUT IT,AND DON'T HIDE WAITING FOR

IT, YOU KNOW, TO REAR ITSHEAD AGAIN.

>> I REALLY WONDER IF THISISN'T AN EFFORT ON THE

CLINTON'S PART TO GET THATSTORY OUT OF THE WAY.

>> RUTH MARCUS WROTE IN THE"WASHINGTON POST" IF AND

WHEN A CLINTON PRESIDENTIALANNOUNCEMENT COMES LEWINSKY

IS GOING TO BE OLD NEWS.

>> Stephen: HILLARY ISTRYING TO MAKE THIS

16-YEAR-OLD NEWS OLDNEWS.

YOU SEE IF WE TALK ABOUT THELEWINSKY SCANDAL NOW THEN WE

WON'T BE TALKING ABOUT ITWHEN SHE'S RUNNING IN 2016,

BECAUSE IF THERE'S ONE THINGTHE CONSERVATIVE MEDIA IS

KNOWN FOR IT IS LETTINGTHINGS GO.

UNLESS, WAIT, UNLESS THAT'SJUST WHAT SHE WANTS US TO

THINK SHE WANTS US TO THINKSHE THINKS.

(LAUGHTER)BECAUSE THE PRINCESS OF

DARKNESS ALWAYS HAS ANULTERIOR MOTIVE, RIGHT

ERIC BOLLING.

>> THE THEORY THAT I'MHEARING IS THIS COULD BE

COMPLETELY OFF BASE.

>> Stephen: A GOOD CHANCETHIS IS [BLEEP] GO AHEAD.

>> IS THAT THIS PROVIDESSYMPATHY FOR HILLARY TO REMIND

EVERYONE THAT BILL CLINTON WAS AJERK.

>> Stephen: BUSTED!

SHE WANTS US TO SAY OH, POORHILLARY.

HER HUSBAND WAS SUCH A JERK.LET'S ELECT HER SO

HE COULD BE BACK IN THEWHITE HOUSE BUT WITH MORE

FREE TIME.

BUT IF HILLARY REALLYINSTRUCTED "VANITY FAIR" TO

PRINT MONICA LEWINSKY'SARTICLE THERE MUST BE A

PAPER TRAIL.

IT'S NOT LIKE YOU CANCONTROL THE MEDIA WITH HER

MIND.

OR CAN SHE?

JIM?

>> YOU'RE SAYING YOU ARENODDING THAT WOULD MEAN

THERE WOULD HAVE TO BE SOMELEVEL OF COLLUSION WITH THE

CLINTONS.

>> THERE DOESN'T HAVE TO BEBECAUSE THE MEDIA AND

DEMOCRATS CAN COMMUNICATEWITHOUT TALKING.

>> Stephen: AHA!!

THE MEDIA CAN COMMUNICATEWITH DEMOCRATS BY READING

THEIR THOUGHTS!

BUT FOX NEWS CAUGHT THEMBECAUSE THEY CAN COMMUNICATE

WITHOUT THINKING AT ALL.

(CHEERS AND APPLAUSE)NAILED YOU.

NAIL.

AND FOLKS THIS CLOCK GOESBACK DECADES.

BACK IN 1995 HILLARY CLEARLYGAVE MONICA ONE OF HER

DEMOCRATIC PSYCHIC GAZESSECOND THE MESSAGE LOUD AND

CLEAR GIVE THE HUMMER TO MYHUSBAND IN THE OVAL OFFICE

SO THAT 19 YEARS LATER WECAN COMBINE FORCES TO

PUBLISH AN ARTICLE THAT WILLHELP MY PRESIDENTIAL

CHANCES.

IF I'VE SEEN IT ONCE, I'VESEEN IT A THOUSAND TIMES.

AND, AND I HAVE SEEN IT ONCE.

(CHEERS AND APPLAUSE)>> NEED MORE PROOF?

THEN YOU'RE WATCHING THEWRONG SHOW.

(LAUGHTER)

THAT IS IT FOR ANOTHEREDITION OF STEPHEN COLBERT'S

[BLEEP], TUNE IN NEXT TIMEWHEN I ASK HOW DID YOU KNOW

I WOULD BE DOING THISSEGMENT AGAIN.

WE'LL BE RIGHT BACK.

(CHEERS AND APPLAUSE)>> Stephen: WELCOME BACK,

EVERYBODY, MY GUEST TONIGHTWON A PULITZER PRIZE FOR HIS

REPORTING ON THE NSA BUTIT'S OUR DATA THEY STOLE.

WHERE IS OUR PULITZER.

PLEASE WELCOME GLENNGREENWALD.

(APPLAUSE)I HAVE BEEN WAITING FOR THIS

FOR A LONG TIME.

>> GOOD, GOOD.

>> Stephen: I GOT MY KNIVESOUT FOR YOU, MY MAN.

>> READY.

>> Stephen: WELCOME TO THELION'S DEN.

ALL RIGHT, LET'S EXPLAIN TOPEOPLE WHO LOVE AMERICA WHO

YOU ARE.

AUTHOR OF THREE BEST SELLINGBOOKS, YOU'VE WRITTEN FORTH

"NEW YORK TIMES", L.A. TIMESAND THE GUARDIAN WHERE YOU

ARE REPORTING ON THE NSASCANDAL AND THE ED SNOWDEN

LEAK.

JUST WON THE PULITZER PRIZEFOR PUBLIC SERVICE.

(APPLAUSE)AND A POLK AWARD FOR

NATIONAL SECURITY REPORTING.

YOUR NEW BOOK IS CALLED NOPLACE TO HIDE, EDWARD

SNOWDEN, THE NSA ANDTHE U.S. SURVEILLANCE STATE,

ARE YOU LOOKING FOR A PLACETO HIDE?

>> I'M NOT

>> Stephen: REALLY?

>> BUT IF I WERE, THEREWOULD BE NO ONE IN THIS

SURVEILLANCE STATE, THETITLE ACTUALLY COMES FROM

FRANK CHURCH WHOINVESTIGATED THE

SURVEILLANCE STATE IN THEMID 70s AND FOUND SOMETHING

NOBODY KNEW WHICH IS THATTHE NSA WAS COLLECTING

ENORMOUS AMOUNTS OFCOMMUNICATIONS.

AND WHAT HE SAID WAS THIS ISAN EXTRAORDINARILY DANGEROUS

MACHINE THAT HAS BEENBUILDING, IF IT EVER TURNED

AROUND AND AIMED AT THEAMERICAN PEOPLE THERE WOULD

BE NO PLACE TO HIDE.

A VERY MAINSTREAM DEMOCRATICSENATOR WHO SERVED IN WORLD

WAR 2 AND TO THAT'S THETITLE OF THE BOOK BECAUSE

THAT IS IN FACT WHATHAPPENED IS THE NSA HAS

TURNED THIS APPARATUS ONAMERICANS AS WELL AS THE

REST OF THE WORLD.

>> Stephen: BUT WE DID NOTKNOW THE EXTENT OF THAT

UNTIL EDWARD SNOWDEN LEAKED.

AND YOU PUBLISHED IT, RIGHT?

>> CORRECT.

>> Stephen: OKAY, SO UNTILYOU TOLD ME THERE WAS

NOTHING FOR ME TO BEBOTHERED ABOUT.

>> IT IS TRUE.

>> Stephen: AREN'T YOU KINDOF THE PROBLEM.

>> I AM, I DO PLEAD GUILTY.

OF COURSE, IGNORANCE ISBLISS.

>> Stephen: YES!

>> AND THAT'S WHY YOU'RE SOHAPPY, RIGHT.

>> Stephen: YES, EXACTLY.

>> THAT'S WHY YOU'RE BEAMINGWITH JOY.

>> Stephen: I WILL FORGETEVERYTHING YOU SAID TO ME AS

SOON AS YOU LEAVE THE STUDIO.

>> BUT THERE IS A REASON WHYJOURNALISM IS PROTECTIVE OF

THE FIRST AMENDMENT, AND ITIS BECAUSE YOU CANNOT HAVE A

FUNCTIONING DEMOCRACY IFPEOPLE IN POWER CAN HIDE

FROM THOSE OVER WHOM THEYARE RULING THE MOST

CONSEQUENTIAL ACTS THEY AREDOING AND THE POINT OF

JOURNALISM IS TO SHINE ALIGHT ON THAT WHICH THEY ARE

TRYING TO HIDE AND THAT ISWHAT WE DID.

>> Stephen: WELL, LET'S TALKABOUT THAT WHICH THEY DID

USING YOUR FANCY WORDS.

OKAY, ED SNOWDEN, ED SNOWDENHAS REVEALED NATIONAL

SECURITY SECRETS, HAS FLEDTHE COUNTRY, A TRAITER TO

THE UNITED STATES.

WHY SHOULD YOU NOT BEPROSECUTED FOR AIDING AND

ABETTING AN ENEMY OF THEUNITED STATES.

>> THAT IS THE ARGUMENT THATHAS BEEN MADE EVERY SINGLE

TIME SOMEBODY COMES FORWARDIN AN ACT OF CONSCIENCE LIKE

ELLSBERG DID IN '71 THAT THEAMERICAN GOVERNMENT WAS

LYING TO THE POPULATIONABOUT THE VIETNAM WAR AND

EVERYONE SAID OR A LOT OFPEOPLE SAID HE IS A TRAITER,.

>> Stephen: HE LOST THEVIETNAM WAR FOR US.

>> HE REVEALED THAT THEAMERICAN GOVERNMENT KNEW

THAT IT WAS UNWINNABLE ATTHE SAME TIME THAT THEY WERE

TELLING THE POPULATION THATTHEY WERE WINNING IT.

>> Stephen: WE'LL NEVER KNOWNOW.

>> SO THAT'S THE PLAY BOOK.

>> Stephen: WE'LL NEVERKNOW.

WE MIGHT HAVE WON IF HEHADN'T SAID THAT.

>> IT'S POSSIBLE.

>> Stephen: IT UNDERMINESTHE CONFIDENCE OF THE

AMERICAN PEOPLE IN THEIR OWNGOVERNMENT, IS THAT WHAT YOU

WANT?

>> WHEN THEY ARE DOINGTHINGS THAT DESERVE TO HAVE

CONFIDENCE IN THEIR ACTIONSUNDERMINED, YEAH IT IS A

GOOD IDEA FOR THAT TO BEREVEALED.

>> Stephen: NOW THIS SNOWDENFELLOW, OKAY.

HE FLED TO RUSSIA.

DOES HE FEEL MORECOMFORTABLE THERE?

BECAUSE IT'S A REGIME THATIS TOTALLY OPEN AND FREE?

(LAUGHTER)WAS MORDOR NOT ACCEPTING

ASYLUM REQUESTS.

>> HE DIDN'T ACTUALLY FLEETO RUSSIA.

>> Stephen: HE FLED AND HE'SIN RUSSIA.

CHECKMATE.

DOW WANT TO SPIN THIS ONE.

SPIN IT-- SPIN IT.

>> HE WAS ON HIS WAY TOLATIN AMERICA, HEADING

THROUGH MOSCOW WHEN THE U.S.

GOVERNMENT REVOKED HISPASSPORT.

>> Stephen: IT IS EASY,PEOPLE GET LOST THAT WAY ALL

THE TIME.

>> YOU JUST SKIP RIGHT OVER.

>> Stephen: THE POINT ISUSING ASYLUM IS NOT TO

DECLARE WHAT COUNTRY YOULOVE THE MOST, IT'S TO GET

PROTECTION FROM YOUR OWNGOVERNMENT WHEN THEY ARE

TRYING TO PERSECUTE YOU SUCHAS PUTTING YOU IN PRISON FOR

40 YEARS FOR COMING FORWARDWITH INFORMATION THAT HIS

FELLOW CITIZENS OUGHT TOHAVE KNOWN.

>> Stephen: HIS FELLOWCITIZENS NEEDED TO KNOW THIS,

THAT IS THE ARGUMENT.

THANK YOU, THANK YOU FORYOUR SUPPORT.

HOW ABOUT THESE THINGS DIDHIS FELLOW CITIZENS NEED TO

KNOW WE WERE ALSO SPYING ON THERUSSIAN AND CHINESE ARMY OR

MEXICO OR THE AL QAEDA LINKISLAMIC STATE OF IRAQ OR THE

AFGHAN MINISTRY OF FOREIGNAFFAIRS OR HASAN BULE WIFE

WHO IS AN ASSOCIATE OF OSAMABIN LADEN, ALL THOSE THINGS

WERE REVEALED AS WELL.

HOW IS THAT NOT GIVEN AWAYAMERICAN STATE SECRETS OR

DO YOU BELIEVE THERE SHOULDNO ESPIONAGE?

>> NO THERE SHOULD BE ESPIONAGE

HE ACTUALLY DIDN'T REVEALANY OF THAT.

WHAT HE DID WAS HE CAME TONEWSPAPERS AND SAID I WANT

YOU TO VET THIS INFORMATIONAND DISCLOSE WHAT IT IS, THE

PUBLIC OUGHT TO KNOW ANDWITHHOLD THAT WHICH THEY

SHOULD'NT.

MOST OF THOSE-- MOST OFTHOSE STORIES THAT YOU JUST

REFERENCED WERE PUBLISHED BYTHE NEWSPAPER CALLED "THE

NEW YORK TIMES" FOR WHICH HEACTUALLY GAVE NO DOCUMENTS.

>> Stephen: DON'T USE "THENEW YORK TIMES" IN DEFENSE

OF ME.

YOU BELIEVE-- YOU BELIEVETHEY DID THE RIGHT THING BY

PUBLISHING THAT.

>> I DO.

>> Stephen: YOU DO.

>> I DO.

>> Stephen: YOU BELIEVE THEUNITED STATES'S SECRETS OF

OUR INTELLIGENCE APPARATUSSHOULD BE REVEALED.

>> THE PRIVACY RIGHTS OFAMERICAN CITIZENS MATTER A

GREAT DEAL.

>> Stephen: THESE AREN'TAMERICAN CITIZENS.

>> THE PRIVACY RIGHTS OFNONAMERICANS, THE PRIVACY

RIGHTS OF-- .

>> Stephen: ITS PRIVACYRIGHTS OF NONAMERICANS DON'T

HAVE PRIVACY RIGHTS.

>> THEY DO, DO, THEY DO.

>> Stephen: NO, THEY DON'T.

IF THEY WANT PRIVACY RIGHTSTHEY SHOULD BECOME AMERICAN

CITIZENS AND GIVE THEM UP.

>> THAT IS ONE THEORY.

THE OTHER THEORY IS THAT THEINTERNET IS THIS GLOBAL

MEANS OF COMMUNICATION AND IFTHE UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT

IS INVADING IT, TURNING ITINTO THIS MASS UBIQIOUTIOUS

SYSTEM OF SURVEILLANCE WHICHTHEY ARE

DOING YOU REALLY CAN'TSEGREGATE WHAT THEY ARE

DOING TO AMERICANS VERSUSNONAMERICANS IT MAKES THE

INTERNET WEAKENED IT MAKESIT SO THAT ALL

COMMUNICATIONS THAT TAKEPLACE ELECTRONICALLY OVER

THE INTERNET ARE KNOWN TOTHE NSA, COLLECTED, MONITORED

AND STORED AND THAT IS WHATSNOWDEN THINKS WE SHOULD

HAVE KNOWN ABOUT AND IFIND IT HARD TO BELIEVE THAT

ANYONE WOULD SAY WE WOULDREMAIN BETTER OFF TO REMAIN

IGNORANT OF WHAT OUR OWNGOVERNMENT IS DOING TO THE

INTERNET.

>> Stephen: THESE ARE NOTALL INTERNET.

>> THEY ARE TELEPHONE,INTERNET.

>> Stephen: TELEPHONE ISN'TINTERNET.

>> GOOD POINT.

>> Stephen: DID I JUST WINTHE ARGUMENT.

>> YOU WON THAT PART OF THEARGUMENT.

>> Stephen: THANK YOU VERYMUCH.

>> CON GATTLATIONS.

>> Stephen: WHERE IS MYPULITZER?

(LAUGHTER)HOLD ON ONE SECOND.

WE'VE GOT TO GO TO ACOMMERCIAL BREAK.

BUT WE'LL BE RIGHT BACK WITHMORE GLENN GREENWALD.

(CHEERS AND APPLAUSE)>> Stephen: WE'RE BACK WITH

GLENN GREENWALD, THE INTOOKNO PLACE TO HIDE.

OKAY, WHAT ELSE IS IN THISBOOK.

YOU'VE GOT NEW REVELATIONSIN THIS BOOK.

WHAT ARE SO THINGS THAT WEDIDN'T KNOW THAT ARE

SUPPOSEDLY GOING TO SHOCK MYCONSCIOUS.

>> ONE OF THE THINGS THATHAPPENED IS THE NSA MADE ALL

KINDS OF CLAIMS OF WHAT THEYARE DOING AND NOT DOING AND

WE HAVE MADE OTHER CLAIMSAND A LOT OF TIMES THEY ARE

IN CONFLICT SO WHAT I WANTEDTO DO WAS PUBLISH A DOCUMENT

THAT THE NSA CREATED WHENTHEY THOUGHT THEY WERE

SPEAKING IN PRIVATE.

THAT THEY THOUGHT NOBODY WOULDKNOW WHAT THEY WERE SAYING.

SO MANY OF THE DOCUMENTSTHEY DESCRIBE THEIR OBJECTIVES

AND MISSIONS IS WILDLYDIFFERENT THAN WHAT THEY SAY

IN PUBLIC SO THERE IS ONEDOCUMENT THAT SAYS OUR

COLLECTIVE POSTURE ISCOLLECT IT ALL, SNIFF IT ALL,

PROCESS IT ALL, EXPLOIT ITALL.

NOT COLLECT THECOMMUNICATION OF TERRORISTS

OR PEOPLE DOING BAD THINGS,COLLECT IT ALL.

THEY COLLECT BILLIONS, SNIFFIT ALL, EXPLOIT ALL.

>> PROCESS IT ALL.

>> Stephen: WOW.

>> AND THEY COLLECT BILLIONS,BILLIONS WITH A B OF E-MAILS

AND TELEPHONE CALLS EVERYSINGLE DAY.

SO THEY DO THINGS LIKE IFPEOPLE AROUND THE WORLD BUY

ROUTERS WHICH IS FROMAMERICAN COMPANIES THEY

LITERALLY PHYSICALLY-- TAKE THEPRODUCT OUT OF THE MAIL,

OPEN UP THE PACKAGE,STICK A BACK DOOR DEVICE

INTO IT AND RESEAL IT THEFACTORY PRODUCT AND SEND IT

ON TO THE UNWITTING USER.

>> Stephen: INTERNET ROUTER,A SWITCH, A SERVER, THINGS

THAT THEY HAVE BEEN ACCUSINGTHE CHINESE GOVERNMENT OF

DOING FOR YEARS AND URGINGPEOPLE NOT TO BUY CHINESE

PRODUCTS WHICH THEYTHEMSELVES HAVE BEEN DOING

SO PEOPLE WILL BUY AMERICANPRODUCTS THAT THEY CAN

INVADE.

>> Stephen: SO IF I, IF MYNET GEAR ROUTER ISN'T

WORKING ONE DAY I CAN JUSTCALL THE NSA FOR CUSTOMER

SERVICE?

>> THEY PROBABLY CAMEFROM THERE SO IT'S A GOOD

CHANCE THAT IT DID.

SO MAYBE THEY CAN HELP YOUWITH IT.

>> Stephen: ALL RIGHT.

ALL RIGHT.

SO YOU DON'T LIVE IN THEUNITED STATES ANY MORE.

WHAT ARE YOU HIDING, YOU LIVE INBRAZIL.

>> I DO.

>> Stephen: THEY DO TERRIBLETHINGS.

THE UNITED STATES MAYCOLLECT ALL OF OUR E-MAILS

BUT THEY TAKE ALL OF YOURBODY HAIR.

THERE'S GOT TO BE SOMETHINGSHADY ABOUT THAT.

>> THAT IS THE NEXT BOOK.

>> Stephen: THAT WILL SELL ALOT.

>> THERE ARE PICTURES ANDEVERYTHING.

>> Stephen: YOU SAID THEREARE MORE STORIES COMING.

IS THERE ANYTHING AS BIG ANDAS JUICY AS HAS ALREADY BEEN

RELEASED?

>> I GENUINELY BELIEVE THATTHE STORY THAT IS THE

BIGGEST ONE THAT WILL MAKETHE BIGGEST IMPACT AND WILL

SHAPE HOW THE EVENTS OF THELAST TEN MONTHS ARE VIEWED

BY HISTORY IS THE STORY ONWHICH WE ARE CURRENTLY WORK

THAT HOPEFULLY WILL BE READYWITHIN FOUR TO EIGHT WEEKS.

>> Stephen: WHAT IS ITABOUT.

>> IT IS ONE OF THE MISSINGPIECES IS ON WHOM IS THE NSA

SPYING IN AMERICA, WHO ARETHEY TARGETING, FOR WHAT

PURPOSE WHO ARE THESE PEOPLETHAT THEY ARE DECLARING TO

BE SUFFICIENT THREATS THATIT WARRANTS READING THEIR

E-MAILS AND WHAT IS THEPATTERN OF PEOPLE THAT THEY

HAVE TARGETED.

ARE THESE POLITICALDISSIDENT, CRITICS OF U.S.

FOREIGN POLICY OR TERRORIST,THAT IS THE REPORTING THAT

REMAINS TO BE DONE.

>> Stephen: IS IT GOOD NEWS?

>> IT'S HARD FOR ME TOPREVIEW BUT I THINK YOU CAN

ASSUME THAT IF I THINK IT'STHE BIGGEST STORY THAT WILL

SAY HOW IT GETS REMEMBEREDTHAT WILL ARE VOLUME

INTERESTING REVELATIONS THATWE ARE WORKING AS HARD AND

FAST AS WE CAN TO GETPUBLISHED AND LOTS OF OTHER

STORIES THAT REMAIN FROM THEARCHIVES AS WELL.

>> Stephen: GLENN, THANK YOUSO MUCH FOR BEING HERE.

PLEASE HAVE SOMEONE ELSESTART YOUR CAR FOR A WHILE,

ALL RIGHT?

GLENN GREENWALD NO PLACE TOHIDE.

WE'LL BE RIGHT BACK.

>> Stephen: THAT'S IT FORTHE REPORT, EVERYBODY, GOODNIGHT

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