June 4, 2013 - Alex Gibney

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The Report pays tribute to Michele Bachmann, NASA researches printable food, the IRS invests in line dancing, and Alex Gibney explores WikiLeaks.

>> --

(CHEERS AND APPLAUSE)

HEY, HOW ABOUT THAT.

>> STEPHEN, STEPHEN,

STEPHEN!

STEPHEN, STEPHEN, STEPHEN!

STEPHEN, STEPHEN, STEPHEN!

>> Stephen: WELCOME TO THE

REPORT.

EVERYBODY.

THANK YOU FOR JOINING US.

I I DON'T KNOW WHAT THIS

MEANS.

PLEASE, NATION, I APPRECIATE

THE WELCOME.

PLEASE SIT DOWN.

WE HAVE SO MUCH TO TALK

ABOUT.

LOOK, I REALLY APPRECIATE

ALL THE SUPPORT YOU'RE

GIVING ME TONIGHT BECAUSE I

COME TO YOU WITH A HEAVY

HEART.

AND NOT JUST BECAUSE MY

PRESHOW COCKTAILS OF BOURBON

AND NUTELLA.

NO, FOLKS, I AM ENSADDENED

BY THE RECENT ANNOUNCED

RETIREMENT OF AN

CONSERVATIVE GIANT MICHELE

BACHMANN.

(LAUGHTER)

YES, TRUE.

THE CONGRESSWOMAN WHO

REPRESENTS MINNESOTA'S

VALLEY OF THE DOLLS.

SHE BROKE THE NEWS IN A WEB

VIDEO RECORDED AT, I BELIEVE,

THE SEARS PORTRAIT STUDIO.

(LAUGHTER)

>> JIM?

>> AFTER A GREAT DEAL OF

THOUGHT AND DELIBERATION I

HAVE DECIDED NEXT YEAR I

WILL NOT SEEK A FIFTH

CONGRESSIONAL TERM.

>> THERE YOU HAVE IT, NO

FIFTH TERM.

A POLITICAL CAREER OVER IN

THE BLINK OF AN EYE.

WHICH FOR MICHELE BACHMANN

IS ONCE EVERY EIGHT YEARS.

(LAUGHTER)

BUT FOLKS, DONE WORRY.

IN HER REMAINING TIME IN

OFFICE MICHELLE BACHMANN

WILL STAY FOCUSED ON HER

GOALS.

>> I WILL CONTINUE TO WORK

VEHEMENTLY AND ROBUSTLY TO

FIGHT BACK AGAINST WHAT MOST

IN THE OTHER PARTY WANT TO

DO TO TRANSFORM OUR COUNTRY

INTO BECOMING.

>> YES.

WE MUST FIGHT THOSE MOST

BEFORE OUR COUNTRY IS

TRANSFORMED INTO BECOMING.

STUPID MOST.

SO TONIGHT, FOLKS, WE SAY

GOOD-BYE TO MICHELE BACHMANN

AND LOOK FONDLY BACK AT SOME

OF HER VERY MOMENTS.

(LAUGHTER)

>> PLANNED PARENTHOOD IS A

BILLION DOLLAR A YEAR

ENTITY.

THEY WANT TO BECOME THE

LENSCRAFTER OF BIG ABORTION.

>> IT'S A VERY SAD LIFE.

IT'S PART OF SATAN I THINK

TO SAY THIS IS GAY.

IT'S ANYTHING BUT GAY.

>> LEADS TO THE PERSONAL

ENSLAVEMENT OF INDIVIDUALS.

BECAUSE IF YOU ARE'S

INVOLVED IN THE GAY AND

LESBIAN LIFESTYLE, IT'S

BONDAGE.

>> THE VERY FOUNDERS THAT

WROTE THOSE DOCUMENTS WORKED

TIRELESSLY UNTIL SLAVERY WAS

NO MORE IN THE UNITED

STATES.

>> THERE'S A WOMAN WHO CAME

UP CRYING TO ME TONIGHT

AFTER THE DEBATE.

SHE SAID HER DAUGHTER WAS

GIVEN THAT VACCINE.

SHE TOLD ME HER DAUGHTER

SUFFERED MENTAL RETARDATION

AS A RESULT OF THAT VACCINE.

>> THERE ISN'T EVEN ONE

STUDY THAT CAN BE PRODUCED

THAT SHOWS THAT CARBON

DIOXIDE IS A HARMFUL GAS.

>> OUR FATHERS THOUGHT

TAXATION WITHOUT

REPRESENTATION WAS BAD WA,

WOULD THEY THINK OF

REPRESENTATION WITH TAXATION.

>> I GOT TWO CUPCAKES FOR

YOU.

DID YOU GET THEM.

YOU WE GOT TWO CUP TAKES FOR

YOU, DID YOU GET THEM.

WE DIDN'T KNOW IF YOU LIKED

CHOCOLATE OR VANILLA.

(APPLAUSE)

(CHEERS AND APPLAUSE)

>> Stephen: I WILL MISS HER.

THAT'S WHY I SENT HER TWO

FAREWELL CUP TAKES.

WE SENT HER TOO, DID SHE GET

THEM DID.

SHE GET THE TWO?

WHAT?

WHAT'S--

(LAUGHTER)

>> Stephen: NATION, NOBODY

LIKES A KNOW IT ALL AND I

SHOULD KNOW BECAUSE I KNOW

ALL OF IT.

THIS IS TIP OF THE HAT, WAG

OF THE FINGER.

FOLKS, I AM A FAMOUS PERSON

WHO I'M SURE GOOG SELL GOING

TO SEND ME THOSE GOOGLE

GLASS GLASSES BUT FOLKS I'M

NOT SURE IF I EVEN WANT THEM

NOW.

>> GOOGLE BANNING PORN ON

ITS FUTURISTIC GLASSES.

>> GOOGLE SAYS PORNOGRAPHY

WILL NOT BE ALLOWED IN ITS

NEW GOOGLE GLASS COMPUTER

EYEGLASSES.

THE TECH GIANT MADE THE MOVE

YESTERDAY AFTER A PORN

COMPANY ANNOUNCED A NEW

ADULT APP.

>> SO A WAG OF MY FINGER AT

GOOGLE GLASS FOR BANNING

PORN.

NOW THE ONLY WAY YOU CAN SEE

PORN ON GOOGLE IS BY TYPING

PORN INTO GOOGLE.

(LAUGHTER)

OR, OR REALLY ANYTHING INTO

GOOGLE.

IT'S JUST NOT GOOD BUSINESS.

I MEAN GOOGLE IS MAKING A

CAR THAT CAN DRIVE ITSELF.

WHY HAVE A CAR YOU DON'T

NEED TO STEER IF YOU CAN'T

WATCH PORN WHILE IT DRIVES

YOU TO CHURCH.

NOW WHAT ARE YOU SUPPOSED TO

DO WITH YOUR HANDS IN THERE.

I'M TELLING YOU, I AM

TELLING YOU, THOSE HEATED

LEATHER SEATS ARE JUST A

TEASE.

NEXT UP ON THE-- I LOVE

WESTERNS, THE CLASSIC

AMERICAN GENRE WHICH IS WHY

I'M GIVING A WAG OF MY

FINGER AT THE LONE RANGER.

JIMMY, GIVE THEM A GOOD

TASTE OF THE BAD UGLY.

>> THERE WERE RUMORS THAT

SUSTAINED US, STORIES OF A

MAN, A MASKED MAN.

A LONE RANGER.

>> Stephen: YES, THE LONE

RANGER FACING OFF AGAINST

HIS NEWEST THREAT, A BULLET

GENTLY LOBBED AT HIM BY A

CHILD.

(LAUGHTER)

I'M SORRY, I AM SORRY BUT I

CANNOT GET BEHIND THIS

GRITTY NEW REBOOT.

I'M AN ORIGINALIST AND I

BELIEVE THE LONE RANGER

SHOULD BE A CLEAN CUT

GENTLEMAN WITH A PERFECTLY

CRISP LACE UP SHIRT BECAUSE

BACK IN MY DAY OUTLAWS KNEW

NOT TO [BLEEP] WITH A GUY

WEARING A NECKERCHIEF.

>> WHOOO!

(APPLAUSE)

TO MAKE THINGS WORSE N THE

ENTIRE TRAILER NOT ONCE DOES

THE LONE RANGER SAY HIS

FAMOUS CATCH PHRASE HI HO

SILVER.

EVEN IN THE SCENE WHERE HE

IS SAYING I HAD TO A HO WHO

IS HOLDING SILVER!

(APPLAUSE)

COME ON!

BUT WHAT REALLY ASSES MY

CHAFF IS THAT THE LONE

RANGER ISN'T EVEN THE STAR.

>> FROM THE GREAT BEYOND, A

VISION TOLD ME GREAT WARRIOR

WOULD HELP ME ON MY QUEST.

>> Stephen: WAIT, HIS QUEST,

TONTO'S QUEST?

TONTO IS NOT THE HERO, TONTO

IS THE SIDE KICK.

TONTO IS SO INCONSEQUENCE

THAT HE'S BEEN PARTNERS WITH

THIS GUY SINCE 1949 AND

PEOPLE STILL CALL HIM THE

LONE RANGER.

(LAUGHTER)

COME ON!

(APPLAUSE)

I'M ANGRY, I'M ANGRY!

AND LOOK AT THIS INJUSTICE

WHICH IS SURELY THE GREATEST

EVER TO TRANSPIRE BETWEEN A

WHITE PERSON AND A NATIVE

AMERICAN.

>> PEOPLE THINK ARE YOU

DEAD.

BETTER TO STAY THAT WAY.

>> YOU ONLY WEAR A MASK.

>> OH, GREAT IDEA.

TAKE ADVICE ON CASUAL

ACCESSORIES FROM THE GUY

WITH THE DEAD CROW ON HIS

HEAD.

(LAUGHTER)

FINALLY FOLKS, I PRIZE

MYSELF ON ALWAYS BEING UP ON

THE LATEST INNOVATIONS.

WELL, GET READY BECAUSE THE

FUTURE IS NOW.

>> SEEMS THOSE NEW 3-D

PRINTERS COULD SOON BE

PRINTING YOUR DINNER.

NASA IS NOW FUNDING RESEARCH

INTO 3-D PRINTED FOOD.

ONE RESEARCHER IS USING THAT

GRANT MONEY TO PRINT PIZZAS.

>> Stephen: FANTASTIC!

INSTANT PRINTED PIZZA AT THE

TOUCH OF A BUTTON.

UNLIKE DOMINOES WHERE YOU

HAVE TO WAIT FOR 30 MINUTES

AND THE PIZZA ONLY TASTES

LIKE IT CAME OUT OF A

PRINTER.

(LAUGHTER)

SO A TIP OF MY HAT TO 3-D

PRINTED FOOD.

(CHEERS AND APPLAUSE)

DELICIOUS!

FOLKS, HERE IS HOW YOUR MEAL

WILL BE EXTRUDED.

THE PRINTER FIRST PRINTS A

LAYER OF DOE WHICH IS BAKED

AT THE SAME TIME IT IS

PRINTED.

THEN IT LAYS DOWN A TOMATO

BASE WHICH IS ALSO STORED IN

A POWDERED FORM AND THEN

MIXED WITH WATER AND OIL.

FINALLY THE PIZZA IS TOPPED

WITH A PROTEIN LAYER.

HMMMM.

A PROTEIN LAYER.

MAN, MY MOUTH IS ALREADY

FILLING WITH A SALIVA LAYER.

PLUS, PLUS HOPEFULLY WE CAN

COMBINE OUR 3-D PRINTED FOOD

WITH OUR 3-D PRINTED GUNS.

AND MAKE A RIFLE THAT FIRES

PIZZA ROLLS RIGHT INTO MY

FOOD HOLE.

(APPLAUSE)

NOW ACCORDING TO THE FOOD

PRINTER'S CREATOR, THE

TECHNOLOGY WOULD BE THE END

OF FOOD WASTE BECAUSE THE

POWDER THIS SYSTEM USES IS

SHELF STABLE FOR UP TO 30

YEARS.

BUT REMEMBER, IT'S VERY

IMPORTANT, AFTER 30 YEARS

AND ONE DAY, IT TASTES

TERRIBLE.

(LAUGHTER)

THE ONLY DOWNSIDE IF THERE'S

SOMETHING WRONG WITH YOUR

DINNER YOU CAN'T COMPLAIN TO

THE WAITER, YOU HAVE TO TALK

TO ALEX FROM IT WHO IS JUST

GOING TO ROLL HIS EYES AND

ASK IF YOU TRY TURNING YOUR

PERSON OMELET OFF AND ON BUT

OBVIOUSLY YOU'VE ALREADY

TRIED THAT.

THE PROBLEM IS THE RED

PEPPERS AREN'T COMPATIBLE

WITH WINDOWS XP.

DO I LOOK LIKE AN IDIOT?

THE POINT IS, FOLKS, NASA

PRINTING PIZZAS IN ORBIT IS

THE KIND OF INNOVATION THAT

SHOULD MAKE EVERY AMERICAN

PROUD.

BECAUSE WHILE WE'RE DOING

THAT, AFRICANS CONDITION

EVEN GET A LOAF OF BREAD.

IT'S THE ULTIMATE POWER

MOVE.

HEY, SOMALIA, DON'T EAT ALL

THAT DIRT IN ONE SITTING.

NOW IF YOU'LL EXCUSE US, WE

GOT TO LAUNCH A CAKE INTO

THE SUN.

WE'LL BE RIGHT BACK.

(APPLAUSE)

>> WELCOME BACK, EVERYBODY,

THANKS SO MUCH.

NATION, I WANT YOU TO KNOW

THAT IT GIVES ME NO PLEASURE

TO SAY THIS BUT BARACK OBAMA

IS A FAILED PRESIDENT.

(LAUGHTER)

I MEAN THE SCANDALS JUST

KEEP COMING, FOLKS.

FOR INSTANCE THIS WEEK THE

ILS SCANDAL WAS EMBROILED IN

ITS OWN SCANDAL SAUCE.

>> A NUMBER OF CONSERVATIVES

COMING FORWARD, FAIRLY DEEP

POCKET DONORS WHO ARE SAYING

YOU KNOW WHAT, I WAS AUDITED

OVER THE LAST YEAR, GOING

INTO THE ELECTION.

>> DID THE IRS TARGET

CONSERVATIVE DONORS DURING

LAST YEAR'S PRESIDENTIAL

ELECTION?

FRANK VANDERSLOOT, AN IDAHO

BUSINESSMAN SAYS HE HAD A

BULLS EYE ON HIS BACK.

>> LOOK WHAT THEY DID TO

VANDERSLOOT.

>> THERE IS NO EXCUSE FOR

WHAT THE IRS DID TO FRANK

VANDERSLOOT.

THAT KIND OF UNFAIR

TARGETING COULD BESMIRCH THE

GOOD NAME OF VANDERSLOOT.

AND FOLKS, VANDERSLOOT'S NOT

ALONE.

SAM ZHERKA, THE OWNER OF NEW

YORK'S CHEETAHS STRIP CLUB

HAS FILED A 20 MILLION

DOLLAR LAWSUIT CLAIMING HE'S

BEING TARGETED BY THE IRS

FOR HIS POLITICAL

ACTIVITIES.

IT HAS GOT TO BE POLITICAL

TARGETING, FOLKS.

I MEAN THERE IS NO OTHER

REASON FOR THE IRS TO

SUSPECT A BUSINESS IN WHICH

GREASEY SINGLES ARE TOUCHING

THE BUTT CRACKS OF WOMEN WHO

HAVE ALL CHOSEN FAKE STAGE

NAMES FROM A SPICE RACK.

(LAUGHTER)

NOW OF COURSE I HEAR WHAT

YOU ARE THINKING.

YOU ARE THINKING STEPHEN,

PEOPLE GET AUDITED ALL THE

TIME.

THIS IS JUST COINCIDENCE AND

PARANOIA.

OH REALLY?

IF I'M PARANOID, WHY CAN I

HEAR YOUR THOUGHTS?

YEAH, THINK ABOUT IT.

AND THIS SCANDAL, THIS

SCANDAL ISN'T JUST ABOUT HOW

THE IRS TAKES OUR MONEY.

IT'S ABOUT HOW THEY WASTE IT

TOO.

AND EXPLOSIVE NEW REPORT HAS

REVELED THAT OVER THE PAST

THREE YEARS THE IRS SPENT

$50 MILLION ON 220 EMPLOYEE

CONFERENCES, 50 MILLION.

THEY ONLY WORK ONE DAY A

YEAR.

(LAUGHTER)

NOW IT TURNS OUT, TURNS OUT

THEY SPENT THE OTHER 364

PARTYING LIKE IT'S 1099.

(LAUGHTER)

JIM.

>> WE'RE LEARNING SOME

DISTURBING NEW DETAILS

CONCERNING THE IRS,

SPECIFICALLY THIS VIDEO JUST

TURNED OVER TO CONGRESSIONAL

INVESTIGATORS THAT SHOWS IRS

EMPLOYEES BLIND DANCING.

IT -- PRODUCED ON THE

TAXPAYER DIME FOR A TRAINING

CONFERENCE THAT TOOK PLACE

BACK IN 2010.

>> Stephen: YES, THE IRS IS

WASTING YOUR HARD EARNED TAX

DOLLARS ON DANCE LESSONS FOR

PEOPLE WITH THE RHYTHM OF

UNEVENLY LOADED WASHING

MACHINES.

(LAUGHTER)

I MEAN COME ON!

IS THERE NOT, ARE THERE NO

BETTER WAYS R THERE NO

BETTER WAYS TO SPEND THAT

CASH?

LIKE PERHAPS PAYING FOR THIS

GUY A VERT IGGO MEDICATION?

-- VERTIGO MEDICATION.

I DEMAND, NATION, I DEMAND

AN INVESTIGATION.

WHAT KIND OF LINE DANCING

WAS THAT?

WAS THIS THE ELECTRIC FLY,

IF SO, IT WAS POWERED BY

SOLYNDRA OR WAS IT COTTON

EYED JOE.

I HOPE NOT BECAUSE HE ALWAYS

TAKES THE FIFTH.

NOBODY KNOWS WHERE HE COMES

FROM OR WHERE DOES HE GO.

WHERE DO YOU COME FROM,

COTTON EYED JOE!

AND AND LONG LAST IF THEY

HAVE TO DANCE, THEY SHOULD

AT LEAST GET SOME WORK DONE

AT THE SAME TIME.

THEY COULD REVIEW SOME TAX

FORMS.

IT'S EASY.

WATCH THIS, JIMMY, PLEASE.

(CHEERS AND APPLAUSE)

ODE DIVIDENDS, FAXABLE

PENSIONS AND ANNUITY, ADD

LINE 44 AND 45, RESIDENTIAL

ENERGY CREDITS, AN FLY.

WE'LL BE RIGHT BACK.

(CHEERS AND APPLAUSE)

>> WELCOME BACK, EVERYBODY,

MY GUEST TONIGHT IS AN

ACADEMY AWARD-WINNING

DIRECTOR WHOSE NEW FILM IS

CALLED WE STEAL SECRETS.

THE STORY OF WIKI LEAKS.

HOW.

PLEASE WELCOME ALEX GIBNY.

(CHEERS AND APPLAUSE)

HEY, ALEX.

GOOD TO SEE YOU, THANK FORCE

COMING ON.

OKAY, AS I SAID, YOU ARE AN

ACADEMY AWARD-WINNING

DOCUMENTARY FILMMAKER.

YOUR FILMS INCLUDE TAXIES OF

THE DARKSIDE, CLIENT NINE,

THE RISE AND FALL OF ELIOT

SPITZER, MEAH MAXIMA CULPA,

SILENCE IN THE EYE OF GOD,

AND ENRON ITS SMARTEST GUYS

IN THE ROOM.

YOUR NEW FILM CALLED WE

STEAL SECRETS THE STORY OF

WIKI LAEKS IN THEATRES NOW,

ON DEMAND JUNE 7th.

WE STEAL SECRETS, ABOUT

WIKILEAKS, ARE YOU IN THIS

DISCUSSION TONIGHT GOING TO

SPILL ANY STATE SECRETS THAT

COULD GET A BAG POPPED OVER

MY HEAD AND GET ME DRAGGED

OFF TO GUANTANAMO.

>> NO, I DON'T THINK SO.

>> Stephen: YOU DON'T THINK

SO.

>> I DON'T THINK SO BUT YOU

KNOW, WE STEAL SECRETS IS

ACTUALLY A PHRASE SAID BY

FORMER CIA DIRECTOR MICHAEL

HAYDEN.

HE LOOKED AT ME AND SAID

ALEX, WE STEAL SECRETS,

THAT'S WHAT WE DO.

>> Stephen: THE CIA DOES.

>> CORRECT.

>> Stephen: THEY'RE LICENCE

FOOD DO SO.

>> SEEMINGLY SO.

>> Stephen: ARE YOU MAKING

EQUIVALENCY BETWEEN THE CIA,

THE OFFICIAL INTELLIGENCE

AGENCY OF THE UNITED STATES,

AND SOME CLOWN LIKE JULIAN A

SANG AND BADLY MANNING, A

KNOWN CRIMINAL WHO STOLE

THESE STATE SECRETS AND

LEAKED THEM TO THE WORLD AND

POSSIBLY TO OUR ENEMIES AND

ENDANGERED AMERICAN LIVES.

>> BRADLEY MANNING IS TO YOU

BEING CHARGED WITH AIDING

THE ENEMY WHICH IS

EQUIVALENT TO TREASON.

HE PLED GUILTY TO LEAK THE

SECRETS.

AND THE SECRETS HE LEAKED

DID A LOT OF GOOD.

>> Stephen: EXPLAIN TO

PEOPLE BEFORE WE GET AHEAD

OF OURSELVE WAS BRADLEY

MANNING IS AND WHAT HE DID,

FOR JULY YAN ASSANGE.

>> BRADLEY MANNING WAS AN

ARMY PRIVATE.

HE WAS IN IRAQ, DEPLOYED IN

IRAQ.

AND AT SOME POINT IN 2010 HE

LEAKED A VIDEO ABOUT THE

APACHE GUNSHIP WHICH KILLED

A REUTERS JOURNALIST AND

ALSO SOME WAR LOGS FROM IRAQ

AND AFGHANISTAN AND ABOUT

250,000 STATE DEPARTMENT

CABLES.

>> Stephen: OKAY.

>> THESE WERE LEAKED TO

WIKILEAKS THEN WIKILEAKS

PARTNERED WITH "THE NEW YORK

TIMES" AND THE GUARDIAN AND

A GERMAN SMAING TO PUBLISH

THESE ALL OVER THE WORLD.

>> Stephen: ARE YOU ARGUING

THAT HE SHOULD NOT BE ON

TRIAL FOR WHAT HE DID?

>> HE PLED GUILTY TO LEAKING

THESE SECRETS.

IT IS WHAT I WOULD CALL AN

ACT OF CIVIL DISOBEDIENCE.

HE MAY HAVE BEEN SOMEWHAT

NAIVE ABOUT THE EXTENT TO

WHICH THESE SECRETS WOULD BE

LEAKED ALL OVER THE WORLD.

BUT I DO THINK THAT HE HAD A

SENSE THAT SOME VERY BAD

STUFF WAS GOING ON IN IRAQ

AN AFGHANISTAN AND THE

AMERICAN PUBLIC NEEDED TO

KNOW ABOUT.

AND HE FELT THAT SOMEBODY

SHOULD PUBLISH THEM.

>> Stephen: SO HE THOUGHT HE

WAS DOING THE RIGHT THING.

>> INDEED.

>> Stephen: EVEN THOUGH IT

MIGHT BE AGAINST THE LAW FOR

HIM TO DO IT, HE HAD TO DO

THAT THING BECAUSE IT WAS

THE RIGHT THING TO DO.

>> THAT'S RIGHT.

>> Stephen: AND HE SHOULD

PAY A PRICE FOR THAT.

>> INDEED.

HE SAID-- HE IS GOING TO PAY

A PRICE FOR IT.

>> Stephen: IF YOU THINK IT

IS THE RIGHT THING TO DO BUT

AGAINST THE LAW YOU COULD

STILL DO IT AND THEN JUST

PAY THE PRICE AFTERWARDS AND

SAY THAT IS THE PRICE I GIVE

FOR MY COUNTRY THE SAME WAY

THE BUSH ADMINISTRATION KNEW

IT WAS THE RANGE THIS TO DO

TO TORTURE PEOPLE AND NOW

THEY HAVE ALL GONE TO JAIL.

>> NO.

>> Stephen: NO, I THINK

BIN-- A FAIR AMOUNT.

>> I'M PRETTY SURE NOBODY

WENT TO JAIL ABOUT IT.

>> Stephen: MAYBE DO A

DOCUMENTARY ABOUT THAT ONE.

>> A GOOD THOUGHT.

>> Stephen: NOW WHAT ABOUT

JULIAN ASSANGE HERE, THE

GHOST, AND I DON'T MEAN JUST

THE PAILNESS OF HIS SKIN.

>> HARD TO FIND THE GUY,

HARD TO GET TO.

DID YOU INTERVIEW HIM FOR

THIS DOCUMENTARY?

>> NO, I DIDN'T.

HE REFUSED TO BE

INTERVIEWED.

HE WANTED MONEY.

AND THEN AFTER I SAID I

WOULDN'T PAY HIM, HE SAID

WELL HOW ABOUT YOU SPY ON

SOME OF THE OTHER INTERVIEW

SUBJECTS.

AND I SAID WELL I'M NOT

GOING TO DO THAT.

>> Stephen: WAIT, WAIT, HE

WANTED YOU TO SPY ON, WHO

DID HE WANT TO YOU SPY ON.

>> ALL THE OTHER INTERVIEW

SUBJECTS I WAS TALKING TO

AND REPORT BACK TO HIM.

>> Stephen: SO YOU WOULD BE

WORKING FOR HIM.

>> RIGHT.

>> Stephen: WAS HE WILLING

TO PAY YOU TO WORK FOR HIM?

>> THAT WAS A GOOD QUESTION,

I SHOULD HAVE ASKED HIM

THAT.

>> Stephen: NOW I HAD HIM ON

MY SHOW IN 2010 AND IT WAS

FREE.

(LAUGHTER)

HE ATE LIKE HALF A CHEESE

TRAY, YOU KNOW.

IT WAS NICE.

WHAT WOULD YOU HAVE ASKED

HIM HAD YOU THE CHANCE?

>> I WANTED TO HAVE HIM WALK

THROUGH EVERYTHING THAT HE

HAD DONE, THE PROCESS BY

WHICH HE DECIDED TO COME UP

WITH THIS FRANKLY A VERY

GOOD IDEA WHICH IS THIS

TRANSNATIONAL PUBLISHING

MECHANISM WHEREBY PEOPLE

COULD LEAK SECRET AS

NONMUSSLY TO A WEB SITE THAT

WOULD NOT BE BEHOLDEN TO

POLITICAL PRESSURES AROUND

THE WORLD.

I WANTED TO FIND OUT HOW HE

CAME UP WITH THE IDEA AND

HOW HE PUT IT UP TO EFFECT.

>> Stephen: YOU SAY THE

OBAMA ADMINISTRATION IS

TENANTMENT TO CRIMINALIZE OG

INVESTIGATIVE JOURNALISM.

WHAT DOW MEAN BY THAT.

>> ONE OF THE THINGS THAT IS

HAPPENING IS THE OBAMA

ADMINISTRATION HAS NOW

PROSECUTED MORE

WHISTLE-BLOWERS THAN ALL

PREVIOUS ADMINISTRATIONS

COMBINED.

>> Stephen: AND THAT'S GOOD

OR BAD.

>> NASS'S BAD.

>> Stephen: YOU DON'T THINK

SPIES, ES MEANAGE, RIGHT

THERE IN THE NAME, YOU

SHOULDN'T BE PROSECUTING

SPIES THAT IS WHAT YOU ARE

SAYING.

>> I AM SAYING THEY

SHOULDN'T BE PROSECUTING

WHISTLE-BLOWERS AS SPIES.

>> Stephen: WHO GETS TO SAY

WHAT IS A WHISTLE-BLOWER AND

WHAT IS A SPY,.

>> WELL, I GUESS THE

PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED

STATES GETS TO SAY.

>> Stephen: DAMN STRAIGHT.

>> THAT'S WHY YOU NEED A

REPUBLICAN IN THERE.

>> WELL, THANK YOU SO MUCH

FOR JOINING ME.

ALEC, WE STEAL SECRETS,

WE'LL BE RIGHT BACK.

>> THESE EAT END OF THE

REPORT, EVERYBODY.

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