April 28, 2014 - Michael McFaul

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Pope Francis grants sainthood to his predecessors, Dr. Paul Offit makes the case for vaccination, and Michael McFaul expands on Russia's complex relationship with the U.S.

>> Stephen: WELCOME TO THEREPORT, GOOD TO HAVE YOU

WITH US, THANK YOU, LADIESAND GENTLEMEN.

>> STEPHEN, STEPHEN, STEPHENSTEPHEN, STEPHEN, STEPHEN!

>> Stephen: THANK YOU,LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, THANK

YOU SO MUCH, GOOD TO HAVEYOU WITH US.

LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, IF YOUCAN FEEL THE ENERGY IN THE

ROOM, I KNOW THESE PEOPLECAME TO FIGHT FOR WHAT'S RIGHT

(CHEERS AND APPLAUSE)>> Stephen: FOLKS, I

CERTAINLY HOPE YOU ALL HAD AGREAT WEEKEND.

I DID.

I WAS IN VATICAN CITY FOR ALITTLE SAINT-MAKING FESTIVAL

CALLED POPECHELLA(LAUGHTER)

JUST LIKE COACHELLA, IT HADA PARTY ATMOSPHERE AND A

LACK OF CONTRACEPTION.

(LAUGHTER)EVERY ONE WAS THERE TO

CELEBRATE ONE THING, TWOTHINGS.

(LAUGHTER)>> JIM?

>> SOME CALLED IT THE DAY OFFOUR POPES, POPE FRANCIS AND

HIS PREDECESSOR BENEDICT XVIAT THE CEREMONY THIS MORNING

WERE TWO GIANTS OF THECHURCH, JOHN PAUL II AND

JOHN XXIII WERE DECLAREDSAINTS.

>> IT IS AN EVENT THAT MAYWELL NEVER HAPPEN AGAIN.

IN EFFECT FOUR POPES IN THESAME PLACE AT THE SAME TIME.

>> Stephen: THAT'S RIGHTTHERE NO SO MANY POPES YOU

COULD NOT SWING A DEAD POPEWITHOUT HITTING ONE.

NOW KNOW SURPRISE THESE GUYSWERE SAINTED.

JOHN XXIII'S MODERNIZED THECHURCH, SECOND VATICAN

COUNCIL AND JOHN PAUL IIFOUGHT AGAINST COMMUNISM BUT

MORE IMPORTANTLY WAS ANHONORARY HARLEM GLOBETROTTER.

(APPLAUSE)>> AND I BELIEVE-- I

BELIEVE-- I BELIEVE THATTHEIR UNDEFEATED RECORD IS

THE REAL MIRACLE.

(LAUGHTER)>> AND FOLKS, WHEN YOU ARE

THERE, IT IS HARD TOEXPLAIN, BUT IT FELT AS IF

THESE DEPARTED POPES WERE INST. PETER'S SQUARE WITH YOU

BECAUSE PARTS OF THEM WERE.

>> POPE FRANCIS HAD RELICS FROMEACH OF THE PONTIFFS.

>> THE RELIC OF JOHN XXIIIIS A PIECE OF HIS SKIN.

AND THE RELIC OF JOHN PAULII IS HIS BLOOD IN A VIAL.

>> Stephen: SKIN AND BLOOD,WHY WOULD THE VATICAN

WANT-- THEY'RE BUILDING AFRANKEN-POPE!

(APPLAUSE)(LAUGHTER)

FOLKS IT WAS A MONUMENTAL DAYTHAT BROUGHT ALL CATHOLICS

TOGETHER.

LUCKILY THE NEWS MEDIA WASTHERE TO HELP DRIVE US

APART.

>> WE HAVE TWO MEN WHO AREOFTEN SEEN AS SORT OF PARAGONS

ONE, JOHN XXIII ASSORT OF THE LIBERAL WING OF

THE CATHOLIC CHURCH AND THEOTHER ONE POPE JOHN PAUL II

SEEN AS SORT OF THECONSERVATIVE.

>> TWO VERY DIFFERENT POPES.

ONE LIBERAL AND ONECONSERVATIVE.

>> ONE VIEWED AS A LIBERALICON AND ONE AS A

CONSERVATIVE ICON.

>> Stephen: THANK GOODNESSWITH ALL THE LOVE TALK THIS

WEEKEND I WAS AFRAID THAT WEWILL FORGET THAT EVERYTHING

IN THE WORLD MUST BE DIVIDEDINTO LIBERAL OR

CONSERVATIVE.

(LAUGHTER)I MEAN WE ALL KNOW JUDAS

WAS A LIBERAL AND CLEARLYGOD'S A CONSERVATIVE BECAUSE

HE'S PRETTY RELIGIOUS.

BUT DESPITE THE POPE'SINFALLIBILITY IN ALL THINGS

RELIGIOUS, I CAN'T HELP BUTFEELING YOU GOT SOMETHING

WRONG HERE.

>> TWO MIRACLES ARE REQUIREDFOR SAINTHOOD.

BUT POPE FRANCIS WAIVED THATREQUISITE FOR

POPE JOHN XXIII SEEN HERE ONTHE LEFT.

AND THE CANONIZATION PROCESSFOR POPE JOHN PAUL 2nd ON

THE RIGHT AS YOU SEE HEREBEGAN PRIOR TO THE NORMAL

FIVE YEAR WAITING PERIOD.

>> Stephen: THAT IS WRONG.

WE CANNOT LOWER OURSTANDARDS FOR CANONIZATION I

MEANS THAT'S HOW SAINT IDESGOT IN.

IF THERE ARE NO STANDARDS,EVERYTHING GOES TO HELL,

FIRST YOU DON'T NEED TWOMIRACLES TO BECOME A SAINT.

NEXT THING YOU KNOW,EVERYONE AT THE VATICAN IS

WEARING DENIM ON CASUAL GOODFRIDAY.

(APPLAUSE)>> NATION YOU KNOW I PRIDE

MYSELF ON HAVING THE BALLSTO SAY THINGS OTHER WILL

NOT.

(APPLAUSE)AND I KNOW-- AND I KNOW, I

KNOW THIS IS GOING TO RUFFLESOME FEATHERS BUT I'M

AGAINST INFECTIOUS DISEASE.

I DON'T CARE HOW MANYSPONSORS THAT COSTS ME.

YOUR CHOLERA SOAKED MONEY ISNO GOOD HERE CADILLAC.

THAT'S WHY I EXPERIENCEDSEVERE INFLAMMATION OF MY

RAGE GLAND WHEN I HEARDTHIS.

>> THE POLIO-LIKE ILLNESSHAS INFECTED AS MANY AS 20

KIDS IN CALIFORNIA.

>> CONCERN ABOUT A GROWINGOUTBREAK OF WHOOPING COUGH.

>> HEALTH OFFICIALS AREREPORTING MORE CASES OF

MUMPS IN OHIO.

>> DESPITE MEASLES WASCONSIDERED WIPED OUT HERE IN

THE U.S. 14 YEARS AGO, WE'RESEEING A RESURGENCE OF THIS

HIGHLY CONTAGIOUS BUTPREVENTABLE DISEASE ACROSS

THE COUNTRY.

>> Stephen: YES, THESEDISEASES ARE MAKING A

COMEBACK.

LIKE AEROSMITH IN THE 1990s.

WHICH ALSO RESULTED IN THESPREAD OF SOME DISEASE.

(LAUGHTER)AND FOLKS, THESE ARE ALL

DISEASES WE HAVE VACCINESFOR.

I MEAN WHO KNOWS WHY THESEVACCINES ARE NO LONGER

EFFECTIVE.

I MEAN HAVE THE PATHOGENSEVOLVED.

ARE THE DOSES NOW TOO SMALL.

WHY, SCIENCE?

>> THE MAIN REASON IS THATMORE AND MORE PARENTS ARE

CHOOSING NOT TO GET THEIRKIDS VACCINATED.

>> Stephen: OKAY, THAT WOULD DOIT. YOU GOT TO DO THE THING.

OKAY, YOU KNOW, YOU SEE,BACK IN--

(APPLAUSE)>> HERE'S WHAT HAPPENED,

BACK IN THE 90s DOCTORSSTARTED GIVING INFANTS MORE

VACCINES SOME OF WHICHCONTAINED A PRESERVATIVE

CALLED THIMEROSAL WHICHCONTAINED MERCURY AND THE

RATE OF AUTISM INCREASEDDRAMATICALLY WHICH CAUSED

MANY PARENTS AND CELEBRITIESTO FEAR KIDS WERE GETTING

AUTISM FROM THE VACCINE.

AND MERCURY IS BAD FOR YOURBRAIN.

WHICH IS A SHAME BECAUSE IUSED TO LOVE THOSE GLASS

PICKIE STICKS MY MOM WOULDGIVE ME WHEN I WAS SICK.

FOLKS, THIS ANTI-VAXMOVEMENT HAS DONE A LOT OF

THINGS THAT I LOVE.

STAR POWER, SCIENCE DENIALAND HIPSTER APPEAL. BECAUSE

PENNY FARTHINGS ANDHANDLEBAR MUSTACHES ARE COOL

BUT NOTHING IS MORE VINTAGETHAN DYING OF RUBELLA.

THE POINT IS THERE ISNOTHING TO FEAR FROM PEOPLE

WHO FEAR VACCINES HERE TOTELL US WE'RE ALL GOING TO

DIE IS THE DIRECTOR OF THEVACCINE EDUCATION CENTER AT

THE CHILDREN'S HOSPITAL OFPHILADELPHIA DR. PAUL OFFIT,

DR. OFFIT, THANK YOU SO MUCHFOR COMING BACK.

GOOD TO SEE YOU ALL RIGHT,OKAY.

LET'S GET TO IT.

29% OF AMERICANS BELIEVEVACCINES CAUSE AUTISM.

BUT APPARENTLY YOUSCIENTISTS THINK YOU KNOW

BETTER, OKAY.

DON'T PARENTS HAVE THE RIGHTTO MAKE THE DECISION FOR

THEIR CHILDREN AND THEIRCHILDREN ALONE WHAT IS BEST

FOR THEM?

>> WELL, UNFORTUNATELY,THEY'RE NOT MAKING THE

DECISION FOR THEIR CHILDRENALONE.

WHEN YOU CHOOSE TO PUT YOURCHILD AT RISK OF GETTING A

VACCINE-PREVENTABLE DISEASE YOU'RE ALSO PUTTING

EVERYONE WHO THEY COME INCONTACT AT RISK.

>> THOSE PEOPLE CAN GETVACCINES.

>> BUT OFTEN THEY TOO, THOSECHILDREN TOO HAVE A PARENT

THAT IS CHOOSING NOT TOVACCINATE.

>> Stephen: WELL THAT IS THECHOICE OF THE PARENT, THE

PARENT KNOWS BEST FOR THECHILD.

>> BUT DO THEY.

>> Stephen: YES THEY DO,OKAY.

THEY DO.

>> IF A PARENT KNOWS IF APARENT IS NOT GETTING A

VACCINE FOR EXAMPLE BECAUSETHEY FEAR AS YOU ELUDED TO

EARLIER THAT IT IS CAUSINGAUTISM THEN WHAT THEY ARE

DOING IS JUST PUTTING ASIDEAN ENORMOUS AMOUNT, A

MOUNTAIN OF SCIENCE.

THERE IS NOW MORE THAN 20STUDIES THAT SHOW

VACCINES DON'T CAUGHT AUTISM.

THE MMR DIDN'T CAUGHTAUTISM.

THERE IS NO RELATIONSHIP.

>> Stephen: BUT 29% OFAMERICANS STILL BELIEVE THAT,

SURELY THEY ARE AT LEAST 29%RIGHT.

>> POPULAR BELIEF IS NOTALWAYS POPULAR WISDOM.

THERE ARE MANY THINGS ONEDOESN'T KNOW ABOUT AUTISM

WHAT YOU DO KNOW IS THATVACCINES DON'T CAUSE IT.

>> BUT THERE IS, YOU HAVE TOADMIT THAT THE AMOUNT OF

VACCINATION GIVEN TO YOUNGCHILDREN INCREASED IN THE

90s.

AND THE DIAGNOSIS OF AUTISMROSE AT THE SAME TIME.

THAT'S A COROLLARY AFFECT,OKAY.

IT IS THE SAME WAY THAT THEIPHONE IS INTRODUCED AND

WORLD WAR II VETS STARTDYING.

(LAUGHTER)>> IN THE SAME DECADE.

IT'S GOT TO HAVE SOMETHINGTO DO WITH EACH OTHER.

>> YOU KNOW ITS PERFECTLYREASONABLE FOR THE PARENT TO

ASK THE QUESTION.

MY CHILD WAS FINE, THEY GOTA VACCINE, NOW THEY AREN'T

FINE, IT IS AN ANSWERABLEQUESTION, IT HAS BEEN

ANSWERED AGAIN AND AGAIN ANDAGAIN.

THE QUESTION IS WHY IS THE29% STILL THINK THAT

VACCINES MAY BE A PROBLEM.

WHEN THEY ARE SHOWN NOT TOBE.

>> YOU HEAD UP SOMETHINGCALLED THE VACCINE EDUCATION

CENTER.

THE FACT THAT WE NEED AVACCINE EDUCATION CENTER

DOESN'T IT MEAN YOU HAVEALREADY LOST THE FIGHT?

BECAUSE I MEAN IF YOU ARERIGHT, VACCINES ARE SO GREAT,

WHY DO WE NEED TO BEEDUCATED ABOUT IT.

>> WE SHOULDN'T BE.

I MEAN THEIR RECORDS SHOULDSTAND ON THEIR OWN.

IN THE 1920s DIPTHERIA WASONE OF THE MOST COMMON

KILLERS OFTEENAGERS.

IN THE 50s POLIO RAVAGEDAMERICAN CHILDREN CAUSING

TENS OF THOUSANDS OFCASES OF PARALYSIS.

MEASLES BEFORE THE VACCINEIN 1963 CAUSED 48,000

CHILDREN TO BE HOSPITALIZEDAND 500 TO DIE.

NOW WE LARGELY DON'T SEETHOSE, THEY ARE STARTING TO

COME BACK A LITTLE BITBECAUSE PARENTS ARE MAKING

THESE CHOICES BECAUSE THEYHAVE FORGOTTEN ABOUT THESE

DISEASE, NOT ONLY HAD WELARGELY ELIMINATED THEM BUT

WE ELIMINATED THE MEMORY SOPEOPLE AREN'T SCARED.

UNFORTUNATELY THEY MAY HAVETO GET SCARED OF THEM

AGAIN, WHICH IS SAD.

>> Stephen: WHAT IF I WERETO TELL YOU SOUND LIKE YOU

ARE IN THE POCKET OF BIGPHARMA.

THEY MAKE THE INOCULATIONS,THEY ARE MAKING MONEY,

GREASING YOUR PALMS THAT ISOUT THERE NOW, RESPOND TO

IT.

>> YEAH, SO-- (APPLAUSE)

>> YOU KNOW, IT'S AMAZING TOME THAT WE JUST KEEP

KNOCKING BIG PHARMA WHEN INFACT YOU CAN'T ON THE ONE

HAND PRAISE THE FACT THATTHESE VACCINES HAVE SAVED

THEIR LIVES, HAVE ALLOWEDOUR CHILDREN TO LIVE LONGER,

BETTER, HEALTHIER LIVES ANDTHEN SAY THAT JUST DISMISS

THE PEOPLE THAT MAKE IT,THAT MAKE THESE VACCINES

SAFELY AND EFFECTIVELY.

(CHEERS AND APPLAUSE)>> Stephen: ALL RIGHT, ALL

RIGHT, ALL RIGHT.

IF YOU WANT TO-- IF YOU WANTTO PLAY THE LONGER BETTER

HEALTHIER LIVES CARD,THERE'S NOTHING I CAN DO

WELL, DOCTOR, THANK YOU SOMUCH FOR JOINING ME.

DR. PAUL OFFIT.

WE'LL BE RIGHT BACK.

>> Stephen: WELCOME BACK,EVERYBODY, THANKS SO MUCH

NATION, IT'S NO SURPRISE BUTI HAVE HAD IT UP TO HERE

WITH BARACK OBAMA CONSTANTLYEMBARRASSING OUR COUNTRY.

(LAUGHTER)HE'S LIKE AMERICA'S DORKY

DAD.

WEARING HIGH WASTED JEANS,ALWAYS MONITORING WHAT WE DO

ON THE INTERNET.

(LAUGHTER)THANK GOD IT'S ONLY A COUPLE

MORE YEARS UNTIL WE GET TOGO TO ELECTORAL COLLEGE.

BUT THE MOST EMBARRASSINGTHING ABOUT OUR PRESIDENT IS

THAT HE KEEPS DESTROYING 250YEARS OF AMERICAN GREATNESS.

>> WE GOT THIS VIDEO OFBARACK OBAMA BOWING TO THE

SAUDI KING ABDULLAH.

AND NOW LOOK, WATCH HOWLOW-- HE'S WAY BELOW THE

SHOULDER.

>> TAKE A LOOK THE PRESIDENTOF THE UNITED STATES BOWING

TO THE EMPEROR OF JAPAN.

THAT IS A DEEP BOW TOO.

>> BARACK OBAMA DID A DEEP,DEEP BOW.

>> IN JAPANESE CULTURE ADEEP BOW IS VERY OFTEN SEEN

AS A SIGN OF APOLOGY ORCONTRITION.

AND THE GREATER THE APOLOGY,THE GREATER THE --.

>> YOU KNOW, THE JAPANESEINVADED PEARL HARBOR, YOU

BOW.

>> Stephen: OH, IT GOES BACKEVEN FURTHER THAN THAT.

I MEAN OBAMA SPENT YEARS ONTHE VERY SAME ISLAND AS

PEARL HARBOR GROVELING TOJAPAN ON HIS HANDS AND KNEES.

SHAMEFUL, SHAMEFUL.

(APPLAUSE)>> WELL, FOLKS I'M

THRILLED TO BE SAD TO SAYOUR GENUFLECTOR IN

CHIEF HAS DONE IT AGAIN ANDIT WAS SPOTTED BY JOURNALIST

AND MAN DEFINITELY NOTHIDING A BALD SPOT MATT

DRUGDGE.

U.S. PRESIDENT BOWS TOJAPANESE ROBOT.

HE BOWED TO JAPANESE ROBOT.

OUR NATION HASN'T BEEN THISHUMILIATED SINCE JOHN

ADAMS BOWED TO GEORGE 3rd'SBUTTER CHURN.

AND NATION, THIS WAS ANHONEST TO GOD GROVELING I'M

NOT WORTHY MR. ROBOTO BOW,THEN DID SOMETHING EVEN MORE

INSULTING TO AMERICANS, HEPLAYED SOCCER WITH IT OR AS

THEY CALL ROBOT SOCCER INJAPAN, FOREPLAY.

AND FOLKS, THE EMBARRASSMENT,THE EMBARRASSMENT TO AMERICA

DID NOT END THERE THE ENTIRETRIP WAS INTENDED TO SECURE

A TRADE DEAL WHICH OBAMADISCUSSED OVER DINNER WITH

JAPAN'S PRIME MINISTER ATTHE BEST SUSHI RESTAURANT IN

THE WORLD, AND OBAMAHUMILIATED US THERE BY

EATING ONLY HALF OF HIS MEAL.

HALF THE MEAL?

I MEAN FORGET ABOUT THEUNITED NATIONS.

OBAMA JUST GOT AMERICAKICKED OUT OF THE CLEAN

PLATE CLUB.

WHAT KIND OF EXAMPLE IS THISMAN SETTING FOR JAPANESE

CHILDREN?

EVERY ONE KNOWS IF YOU DON'TFINISH YOUR SEA URCHIN YOU

CAN'T HAVE YOUR DESSERT, SEAURCHIN PENIS.

SO WITH ALL THIS BUNGLINGIT'S NO SURPRISE THAT THE

PRESIDENT LEFT JAPAN WITHOUTTHE TRADE AGREEMENT.

AND WITHOUT THE HELLO KITTYBACKPACK HE PROMISED JOE

BIDEN.

SOMEONE'S GOING TO THROW ATANTRUM.

HE'S NOT GOING TO BE HAPPY.

NATION, OUR JAPANESE FRIENDSHAVE BEEN INSULTED AND THE

PRESIDENT HAS GOT TO SAVEFACE.

BY THE WAY, FACE ALSO AJAPANESE DELICACY.

SO TO MAKE UP FOR THIS MESSAND RESTORE AMERICA'S

REPUTATION TO THE JAPANESEPEOPLE, MR. PRESIDENT YOU

ARE GOING TO HAVE TO EAT ADOLPHIN.

OH, IT'S A DELICACY OVERTHERE BUT DON'T HALF ASS IT.

YOU MUST FINISH THE ENTIREDOLPHIN.

THE BOTTLE NOSE, THE DORSALFIN, THE GENTLE SOUL.

EVERY THING AND NO HIDINGTHE BLOW HOLE UNDER YOUR

PLATE.

WE'LL BE RIGHT BACK.

>> Stephen: WELCOME BACK,EVERYBODY.

MY GUEST TONIGHT IS THEFORMER U.S. AMBASSADOR TO

RUSSIA.

OR CRIMEA.

IT'S HARD TO TELL AT THISPOINT.

PLEASE WELCOME AMBASSADORMICHAEL McFAUL.

(APPLAUSE)MR. AMBASSADOR THANK YOU SO

MUCH FOR COMING ON.

NOW AMBASSADOR THAT SAYGREAT TITLE.

YOU GET TO HOLD ON TO THATEVEN IF YOU ARE NOT

AMBASSADOR ANY MORE?

>> TECHNICALLY BUT NOW I'MPROFESSOR.

>> Stephen: YOUR EXCELLENCY.

>> IF YOU WANT TO CALL METHAT, THAT WOULD BE HAPPY.

>> Stephen: THAT IS REALLYNICE.

I WOULD HAVE CARDS PRINTEDUP.

OKAY.

NOW AS I SAID YOU WEREFORMER U.S. AMBASSADOR TO

RUSSIA.

AN ARCHITECT OF PRESIDENTOBAMA'S RESET POLICY THERE.

I HEAR THAT TERM A LOT.

WHAT DOES RESET MEAN?

BECAUSE WE SEEM LIKE WE'RERESET TO THE COLD WAR WITH

RUSSIA.

>> WHICH I'M IN FAVOR OF,WHAT WAS THE INTENTION OF

OUR RESET WITH RUSSIA?

>> WELL BACK IN 2009 WHENPRESIDENT OBAMA USED THAT

TERM THE FIRST TIME, THEIDEA WAS VERY SIMPLE.

THAT WE HAVE SOME COMMONINTEREST WITH RUSSIA.

AND IF WE ENGAGE WITH THEM IFWE TALK TO THEM WE CAN

ACHIEVE THOSE OUTCOMES SOGETTING RID OF NUCLEAR

WEAPONS, SANCTIONS ON IRAN,SUPPLYING OUR TROOPS IN

AFGHANISTAN THROUGH RUSSIAOR INCREASING TRADE AND

INVESTMENT, AND THAT'S WHATWE DID.

>> WE GOT THOSE.

>> WE GOT THOSE.

>> WHERE DO THING GOES SOUTHHERE?

IS IT WHEN WE DIDN'T AGREEWITH THEM OVER THE GAYS?

THAT WHAT IT WAS?

BECAUSE REMEMBER THOSE DAYSWHEN THE ONLY THING WE

DIDN'T LIKE WAS THE WHOLE HEDOESN'T LIKE GAYS PEOPLE.

I'M NOSTALGIC FOR THAT ATTHIS POINT.

>> I'M NOT.

WELL, IT HAD TO DO WITHTHAT.

BECAUSE THE RESET WAS WITHPRESIDENT MEDVEDEV.

>> Stephen: THE SHORT GUY.

>> THE SHORT GUY, NEITHER ISVERY BIG BUT THE OTHER GUY.

>> Stephen: PUTIN SEEMS TALL,RIGHT?

>> THEY'RE BOTH THE SAMESIZE.

BUT WHEN PRESIDENT PUTINCAME IN, HE CHANGED THE TONE

AND THEN LATER THE POLICY.

I THINK IT REALLY HAD TO DOWITH THE CHANGE.

>> Stephen: AS AMBASSADORTO RUSSIA, HOW MANY YEARS.

>> TWO YEARS.

>> Stephen: HOW DO I KNOW THEYDIDN'T TURN YOU? LET ME JUST

ASK YOU THIS, LET ME SAYTHIS TO YOU, THE SQUIRREL IS

IN THE BASKET.

DOES THAT MEAN ANYTHING TOYOU.

>> NOTHING AT ALL.

>> Stephen: GOOD CAUSE -->> IT DOESN'T MEAN ANYTHING

THAT IS NOT A CODE WORD ATALL.

ALL RIGHT.

WAS THERE A MOMENT -->> THEY.

>> IF THEY WERE TRYING TORECRUIT ME, I WOULD HAVE

PREFERRED A LITTLE BITBETTER TREATMENT.

>> Stephen: WAS THERE AMOMENT WHEN YOU WERE THERE

YOU DON'T THINK YOU WEREUNDER SURVEILLANCE.

>> THAT I WAS NOT?

>> Stephen: YEAH.

>> NO, ALL THE TIME.

>> Stephen: PUTIN SAW YOU ASA PERSONAL ENEMY.

>> YEAH, HE DID.

>> Stephen: HE THOUGHT YOUWERE BEHIND THE 2011 PROTEST

AGAINST HIS REGIME.

>> THAT'S RIGHT.

I MEAN NOT JUST ME, THEPRESIDENT OBAMA, UNITED

STATES, THE WEST.

>> Stephen: BUT HE DIDN'TLIKE YOU PARTICULARLY.

>> YEAH, HE DIDN'T LIKE ME,THAT'S RIGHT.

HE DIDN'T.

IN FACT, HE TOLD ME ONCE ORTWICE.

>> Stephen: OH REALLY?

>> YEAH.

>> Stephen: WHAT DID HE SAY?

>> JUST WHAT YOU SAID, THATHE SAID I THINK YOU'RE

SUPPORTING THE OPPOSITIONAGAINST ME.

>> Stephen: WERE YOU, WEREYOU DOING THAT?

>> NO I WASN'T, I MEAN-- IMEAN I MET WITH EVERYBODY.

I ENGAGED AS A DIPLOMAT ISSUPPOSED TO DO.

>> Stephen: ARE YOU A MEMBEROF PUSSY RIOT IS WHAT I'M

ASKING?

(CHEERS AND APPLAUSE)>> I'M NOT A MEMBER.

>> Stephen: OKAY.

>> THOUGH I HAVE MET WITHTHEM.

>> Stephen: ME TOO.

>> SOON AFTER THEY WERE ONYOUR SHOW.

THEY LIKED YOU A LOT.

>> Stephen: DID THEY LIKEYOU?

>> I DON'T KNOW I THINK THEYHAD MORE FUN WITH YOU.

>> Stephen: I WILL PUT IN AGOOD WORD FOR YOU.

>> OKAY.

>> Stephen: SO WHAT DO WE DONOW THAT WE HAVE SORT OF HIT

THE RESET BUTTON, THINGS AREROUGH BETWEEN US AND RUSSIA

AGAIN DO WE HIT THE RESETBUTTON AGAIN OR DO WE TAKE

THE CARTRIDGE OUT OF THECONSOLE AND BLOW ON IT A FEW

TIMES BEFORE WE PUT IT BACKIN?

HOW DO WE GET BACK TO AWORKING RELATIONSHIP WITH

THEM.

>> I DON'T THINK IT'S GOINGHAPPEN ANY TIME SOON.

>> Stephen: REALLY?

>> THERE IS NOT ANOTHER-- IDON'T THINK YOU HAVE TO GO

OUT AND FIND ANOTHER RESETBUTTON BECAUSE PUTIN DECIDED

HE DOESN'T WANT TO COOPERATEWITH US.

HE DOESN'T WANT THESEWIN-WIN OUTCOMES THAT I JUST

TALKED ABOUT.

AND HE IS ON A DIFFERENTCOURSE.

>> Stephen: SEEMS WIN-WINFOR HIM.

HE IS EATING OURLUNCH OVER THERE.

WHY WON'T WE PUT TROOPS INCRIMEA.

>> YOU WANT TROOPS INCRIMEA.

>> Stephen: WHAT IS WRONGWITH HAVING A LAND WAR IN

ASIA?

>> Stephen: WHEN DID THATEVER GO WRONG?

(APPLAUSE)>> Stephen: BECAUSE NOBODY

WANTS TO DO THAT ANDTHEREFORE PRESIDENT OBAMA I

THINK RIGHTLY IS TRYING TOCHANGE PUTIN'S CALCULUS,

USING DIFFERENT WAYS, INPARTICULAR ECONOMIC SANCTION,

MAYBE IN THE SHORT RUNTHAT MAKES PUTIN POPULAR.

IT HAS, HE IS AT 80%, IOBAMA IS AT 43.

>> Stephen: MAYBE OBAMASHOULD INVADE SASKATCHEWAN,

SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

>> I DON'T THINK THAT ISWISE BUT I DON'T DO DOMESTIC

POLITICS.

BUT THAT'S NOT GOING TOLAST BECAUSE IN THE LONG RUN

THIS SYSTEM THAT PUTIN SET UP,THIS AUTOCRATIC REGIME, I

THINK WILL RUN ITS COURSEAND IF THE ECONOMY BEGINS TO

TANK HIS SUPPORT WILL ALSOFALL.

>> Stephen: IS THERE ANYMECHANISM INSIDE RUSSIA TO

STOP HIM OR DOES HE HAVECOMPLETE POWER.

>> HE HAS COMPLETE-- NOTTOTAL POWER.

THERE IS A LOT OF RICHPEOPLE THAT DON'T WANT TO

LOSE THEIR MONEY BECAUSE OFTHE ADVENTURES IN UKRAINE

BUT THAT'S PART OF THE PROBLEMIF RUSSIA WERE MORE

DEMOCRATIC, IF THERE WERE ACONGRESS IF THERE WERE

OPPOSITION PARTIES, IF THEREWERE A SHOW LIKE YOURS IN

RUSSIA THAT WOULD BECRITICISM-- CRITICIZING

PRESIDENT PUTIN THAT WOULDMAKE IT MORE COSTLY FOR HIM.

RIGHT NOW HE DOESN'T HAVETHOSE KIND OF CONTROLS ON

HIS POWER.

>> Stephen: IF THERE WAS ASHOW LIKE MINE IN RUSSIA I

WOULD LET SOMEONE ELSE STARTMY CAR.

YOUR EXCELLENCY.

(CHEERS AND APPLAUSE)AMBASSADOR MICHAEL McFAUL.

WE'LL BE RIGHT BACK.

>> Stephen: THAT'S IT FOR THEREPORT, GOOD NIGHT!

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