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November 19, 2014 - Toni Morrison

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A police drill causes panic at a Florida school, activists in New Hampshire target meter maids, Black Friday gets an early start, and Toni Morrison discusses her writing. (21:27)

>> Stephen: THANK YOU, LADIESAND GENTLEMEN.

THANK YOU SO MUCH.

WELCOME TO THE REPORT, HEROES.

( CHEERS AND APPLAUSE )THANK YOU SO MUCH.

IT'S GOOD TO HAVE YOU WITH US.

ALWAYS A PLEASURE.

ALWAYS A JOY.

( CHEERS )FOLKS, YOU KNOW, IF YOU WATCH

THIS SHOW, YOU KNOW THAT I LOVECOMING TO YOU EVERY NIGHT OF THE

WEEK, MONDAY THROUGH THURSDAY.

( LAUGHTER )BUT BROADCASTING LEGEND ISN'T MY

MOST IMPORTANT JOB.

I'M ALSO A DAD.

THAT I KNOW OF.

( LAUGHTER )THAT'S WHY I HAVE THE RIGHT TO

JUDGE TODAY'S OVER-INVOLVEDHELICOPTER PARENTS.

IF YOU'RE THAT NEUROTIC ABOUTYOUR KID'S SAFETY, WHY DID YOU

GIVE THEM A HELICOPTER IN THEFIRST PLACE?

( LAUGHTER )THEY HAVE CREATED-- THESE

PARENTS HAVE CREATE AGENERATION OF SCAREDY KIDS WHO

QUIVER AT THE SLIGHTEST ARMEDINVASION.

>> NOW TO FLORIDA TONIGHT WHEREPARENTS ARE OUTRAGED AFTER

POLICE ENTERED A MIDDLE SCHOOLWITHOUT WARNING WITH WHAT LOOKED

LIKE GUNS DRAWN.

BUT WHAT THEY FOUND OUT NEXT HASMANY ANGRY TONIGHT.

IT WAS A DRILL.

>> POLICE WITH AR-15 RIFLES LIKETHIS ONE, BURST INTO CLASSROOMS.

CHILDREN AND TEACHERS BELIEVEDTHEY WERE REALLY UNDER ATTACK.

>> STUDENTS, SOME TEXTING THEIRPARENTS FOR HELP, THEY WERE

TERRIFIED.

>> Stephen: TYPICAL TEENS--CAN'T EVEN STOP TEXTING AT

GUNPOINT.

( LAUGHTER )FOR PETE'S SAKE!

WE'VE GOT VISITORS!

PUT THE PHONE DOWN AND CRAP YOURPANTS.

( LAUGHTER )MANNERS.

LOOK, I KNOW THESE DRILLS CAN BEUPSETTING, BUT THEY SERVE A

VITAL PURPOSE.

COPS GET TRAINING RESPONDING TOSCHOOL EMERGENCIES, AND IN THE

EVENT OF A REAL TRAGEDY, THEKIDS WILL BE GLAD THEY HAD ALL

THOSE PRACTICE NIGHTMARES.

( LAUGHTER )BESIDES, SCHOOL OFFICIALS HAD

GOOD REASON TO GIVE THESE KIDSP.T.S.D.-- OR PRETEND TRAUMATIC

STRESS DISORDER.

JIM?

>> POLICE SAY THE DRILLS AREALWAYS HELD WITHOUT ADVANCE

WARNING BECAUSE THAT'S THE ONLYWAY THAT THEY CAN EVALUATE A

SCHOOL'S RESPONSE.

>> SCHOOL OFFICIALS INSIST THEELEMENT OF SURPRISE IS

IMPORTANT, NOTING,UNFORTUNATELY, NO ONE GETS AN

ADVANCED NOTICE OF REAL-LIFEEMERGENCIES.

>>>> Stephen: IT'S TRUE.

THERE IS NO ADVANCE NOTICE IN AREAL-LIFE EMERGENCY.

WHICH IS WHY I NEVER WARN MYSTAFF ABOUT OUR FIRE DRILLS.

I DON'T EVEN WARN MYSELF.

I LEAVE A PILE OF OILY RAGS NEXTTO THE FURNACE, AND I WAIT FOR

THE DRILL TO START WHEN IT'SREADY.

( LAUGHTER )WE'RE-- WE'RE ACTUALLY ON OUR

FIFTH STUDIO HERE.

THAT'S WHY THE SHOW IS ENDING.

I CAN'T GET INSURANCE.

( LAUGHTER )ANYWAY, NATION, I HAVE LONG BEEN

A PROPONENT OF SMALL GOVERNMENT.

AS THOMAS JEFFERSON SAID, THATGOVERNMENT IS BEST WHICH GOVERNS

LEAST, WHICH MEANS OUR CONGRESSIS HEADED TOWARDS PERFECTION.

( CHEERS AND APPLAUSE ).

>> Stephen: GOOD JOB,CONGRESS.

WE LOVE YOU, CONGRESS.

OF COURSE, AMERICA HAS A PROUDHISTORY OF PATRIOTS STANDING UP

AGAINST GOVERNMENT OVERREACH.

WHERE WOULD WE BE IF OURFOUNDING FATHERS HADN'T

RISEN UP AGAINST THE TYRANNY OFKING GEORGE?

TECHNICALLY, WE'D STILL BE RIGHTHERE.

THAT'S HOW GEOGRAPHY WORKS.

BUT WE'D ALL BE WEARING ABSURDWIGS INSTEAD OF JUST DONALD

TRUMP.

TONIGHT, FOLKS, I AM PROUD TOPROFILE THE LATEST GROUP OF

HEROS WHO ARE ATTEMPTING TO GIVEBIG GOVERNMENT AN

OVER-REACHAROUND. JIM?

>> AMERICA IS UNDER SIEGE.

>> OUR GOVERNMENT IS A TYRANNYAND IT'S OUT OF CONTROL, AND IT

MUST BE STOPPED.

>> IT REALLY IS GOVERNMENTOVER-REACH, GOVERNMENT GONE

AMOK.

>> THIS BIG BROTHER HAS GOTTEN ALOT CREEPIER THAN GEORGE ORWELL

THOUGHT IT WOULD EVER GET.

>> TYRANNY IS ON THE RISE.

BUT THESE BRAVE PATRIOTS AREFIGHTING BACK.

THEY ARE DIFFERENCE MAKERS.

♪ ♪( CHEERS AND APPLAUSE )

>> IN THE HEART OF NEW HAMPSHIRELIES THE SMALL TOWN OF KEENE, A

PRETTY PLACE, WHERE THE IRONFIST OF AUTHORITY HAS RUN AMOK.

BUT HELP IS ON THE WAY.

MEET THE FREE KEENE SQUAD.

JAMES CLEVELAND-- A.K.A.-->> I THINK IT'S FAIR TO SAY THAT

I'M THE MASTERMIND.

>> "THE MASTERMIND."

GARRET EAN.

>> I WOULD IDENTIFY MYSELF ASAN ANARCHIST.

>> THE AFROCHIST.

CHRIS CANTWELL.

>> THERE IS A 38-CALIBERREVOLVER IN A HOLSTER

AND I CARRY IT ON MY HIP.(GUNSHOT)

>> THE ENFORCER.

THE FREE KEENE SQUAD HAS ACLEAR PLAN TO FREE THE PEOPLE OF

KEENE.

TELL THEM, MASTERMIND.

>> FREE KEENE ISN'T NECESSARILYABOUT FREEING PEOPLE PER SE.

IT'S--( LAUGHTER )

>> A POWERFUL VISION FOR ABETTER TOMORROW.

WE CONFRONTED JACKBOOTED CITYCOUNCILOR RANDY FILIAULT FOR A

RESPONSE.

>> FREE KEENE CLAIMS THEY'REFREEING KEENE FROM SOMETHING.

MOST OF US THAT HAVE LIVED HEREALL OF OUR LIVES REALLY HAVEN'T

FIGURED THAT PART OUT YET.

AND QUITE HONESTLY, I DON'TTHINK THEY'VE REALLY FIGURED IT

OUT YET. SO IF THEY EVER DOFIGURE IT

OUT, I WISH THEY'D GIVE US ACALL.

>> RING-RING, RANDY.

YOU BETTER GET THE PHONE BECAUSETHEY FIGURED IT OUT.

>> PARKING METERS.

>> YOU HEARD HIM RIGHT, PARKINGMETERS.

>> IF WE'RE GOING TO HAVE AGOVERNMENT, I MEAN, I FEEL LIKE

THAT THEY SHOULD DO A-- KIND OFTHE BASICS.

THEY SHOULD DEFEND LIFE,LIBERTY, AND PROPERTY.

AND I REALLY DON'T SEE HOWISSUING PARKING TICKETS MEETS

ANY OF THOSE GOALS.

>> SO FREE KEENE SPRANG INTOACTION BY RUNNING AHEAD OF METER

MAIDS AND PUTTING COINS IN THEMETERS BEFORE THEY EXPIRE.

THEY CALL IT "ROBIN HOODING."

THEY'VE BEEN FILMING THEMSELVESDOING IT FOR YEARS.

AND THEY HAVE POSTED HUNDREDS OFCLIPS ON THE WEB, SOME OF WHICH

HAVE GOTTEN MULTIPLE VIEWS.

>> I GUESS I'M THE ROBINHOOD. I FEEL LIKE I'M A SUPER

HERO. I'M OUT THERE DOING GOODFOR THE COMMUNITY.

>> WHICH HAS THE TYRANNICAL CITYGOVERNMENT SHAKING IN THEIR

BOOTS.

>> PROBABLY THE MOSTCONTROVERSIAL ISSUE WASN'T THEM

PLUGGING A METER.

QUITE HONESTLY, NONE OF USCARED.

WHAT WE CARED ABOUT WAS THEYWERE FOLLOWING AROUND THE METER

ATTENDANT AND HARASSING THEM.

>> THEY'RE NOT HARASSING.

THEY'RE ANNOYING FOR LIBERTY.

>> HEY, WHY ARE YOU GOING THATWAY?

WE'RE GOING TO FOLLOW YOUWHEREVER YOU GO.

YOU'RE NOT GONNA GET AWAY WITHIT TODAY

>> YOU TAKE MONEY FROM PEOPLE BYFORCE.

WHY DO YOU BEHAVE THIS WAY? IDON'T THINK THAT'S AN

APPROPRIATE THING FOR PEOPLE TODO TO EACH OTHER.

>> I WOULD LIKE TO YOU STOPFOLLOWING ME AROUND.

>> NOBODY LIKES WHAT YOU DO.

IT'S A CRAPPY POSITION TO BE IN,IN YOUR LIFE.

>> GO BACK TO YOUR TRUCK ANDDRIVE AWAY.

>> I'M DOING MY JOB.

>> IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE IT.

>> Stephen: YES, THIS MAY LOOKLIKE THE FREE KEENE SQUAD ARE

BEING TOTAL DICKS TO INNOCENTMETER MAIDS, BUT IF THAT WERE

TRUE, WHY DOESN'T ANYONE STOPTHEM?

>> I FIND WHEN I CARRY A GUN,PEOPLE ARE VERY UNLIKELY TO HIT

ME.

YOU CAN SAY ALMOST WHAT YOU WANTENTIRELY TO PUBLIC OFFICIALS.

YOU CAN'T THREATEN TO KILL THEM,BECAUSE THAT'S-- THAT'S, LIKE,

COERCION.

THAT'S EXTORTION.

THAT'S AN INITIATION OF FORCE.

>> I BELIEVE THEY REALLY LIKEWHAT WE'RE DOING.

>>, OF COURSE, BEING NEWENGLANDERS, THE PEOPLE OF KEENE

ARE RESERVED IN THEIR DISPLAYSOF AFFECTION.

>> WHY ARE YOU HARASSING HER?

>> GET THAT AWAY FROM ME RIGHTNOW!

>> GET OUT OF MY FACE.

>> STOP HARASSING PEOPLE WHO AREWORKING.

>> YOU'RE NOTHING BUT AFREELOADING HOBO.

>> YOU'RE AN IDIOT.

>> OH,.

>> AND THE WAY YOU TREAT PEOPLESHOWS ME YOU'RE AN IDIOT.

>> THAT'S RIGHT.

THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO DOIS WALK AWAY.

>> NO, YOU DON'T EVEN WANNAKNOW -- ( BLEEP ).

>> OBVIOUSLY, THERE ARE PEOPLETHAT DON'T LIKE WHAT WE'RE

DOING, AND I'M FINE WITH THAT.

I THINK IT'S, LIKE-- TO ME, IT'SLIKE A BALANCE.

LIFE IS LIKE THE YIN-YANG.

I FEEL LIME I'M THE YIN, I'M THEWHITE PART, I'M THE GOOD PART.

>> Stephen: AND EVERY YING HASITS YANG

>> MY NAME IS ALLEN GIVEITZ, IWAS A POLICE OFFICER IN THE U.S.

ARMY RESERVES.

I WAS IN IRAQ AND KUWAIT ABOUT15 MONTHS.

>> AND THIS VETERAN NEEDED AJOB.

>> I SEE AN AD FOR THE CITY OFKEENE FOR PARKING ENFORCEMENT.

AND I KIND OF CHUCKLED AT FIRST,AND I SAID, YEAH, OKAY, I'M

GOING TO BE A MALE METER MAID.

YOU SORT OF FEEL LIKE YOU'REKIND OF AN ANIMAL IN A CAGE,

REALLY.

>> WATCH WHAT YOU'RE DOING.

YOU'RE RUNNING INTO PEOPLE.

>> NO, I'M NOT.

>> YOU'RE NOT GOING TO GET ABREAK THE ENTIRE DAY.

THIS IS NEVER GOING TO STOP.

>> IT WAS HELL.

BEING CALLED A THIEF.

BEING CALLED A LIAR.

THAT SORT OF STUNG A LITTLE.

BUT IT DIDN'T STING AS MUCH AS,YOU KNOW, BEING CALLED A COWARD.

DEFINITELY DIDN'T HURT AS BAD ASBEING CALLED A RACIST BECAUSE OF

MY VETERAN STATUS.

I WAS TOLD THAT I CONDONE THEDRONING OF BROWN BABIES BECAUSE

I'M A VETERAN.

THAT STUNG.

>> OKAY, GRANTED, THESE GUYS AREA-HOLES, BUT THEY'RE A-HOLES FOR

FREEDOM.

YOU'RE A VETERAN.

I'M SURE YOU CAN HANDLE IT.

I MEAN, IT'S NOT WORSE THANIRAQ.

>> WHAT WAS WORSE, SERVING INIRAQ OR BEING A METER MAID IN

KEENE?

( LAUGHTER )BOY.

IT'S REALLY A TOUGH QUESTION.

(LAUGHTER)>> Stephen: SPOILER ALERT:

IT'S KEENE BECAUSE AFTER A YEAROF ABUSE,

>> YES, I QUIT>> Stephen: AND FREEDOM...WON?

THAT CAN'T BE RIGHT.

IS THAT A TYPO.

>> FREEDOM CAN BE MESSY.

FREEDOM IS NOT PERFECT.

THERE ARE BAD THINGS THAT CANHAPPEN WHEN YOU GIVE PEOPLE

FREEDOM.

I'M NOT GOING TO DENY THAT.

>> YOU CANNOT BE FREE FROM ANIDEA SO THERE CAN BE NO FREEDOM

FROM FREE KEENE FOR PEOPLE WHOJUST LIVE HERE.

>> THEY HELPED FREE ME FROM MYJOB.

THAT'S FOR SURE.

>> Stephen: SO FOR FIGHTING FORTHEIR CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS

TO BE TOTAL ( BLEEP ) STAINS,

>> YOU'RE NOT GOING TO GET ABREAK THE ENTIRE DAY.

THIS IS NEVER GOING TO STOP.

NEVER GOING TO STOP.

>> THE FREE KEENE SQUAD ARETONIGHT'S DIFFERENCE MAKERS.

AND JUST TO BE CLEAR, ARE HUGEDOUCHEBAGS.

>> Stephen: WE'LL BE RIGHTBACK.

( CHEERS AND APPLAUSE )>> Stephen: WELCOME BACK.

WELCOME BACK, EVERYBODY.

FOLKS,.

♪ IT'S THE HOLIDAY SEASONSO WHOOPIDEE-DOO.

♪ AND DICKERY DOCK AND WE ONLYHAVE NINE MORE DAYS TO SHOP ♪♪

UNTIL BLACK FRIDAY WHEN WECONTINUE TO SHOP

AND FOLKS, I'M READY

I DON'T WANT TO BRAG, BUT I'M AGREAT SHOPPER.

THAT BOUNCER AT WALMART WAVES MERIGHT IN.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE,LYLE.

OF COURSE, BLACK FRIDAY'SOFFICIALLY BEGINS WITH THE FIRST

TRAMPLING AT THE RUNNING OFTHE DOORBUSTERS.

YOU REALLY CAN'T BLAME THEM.

THAT HELICOPTER WAS $5.

( LAUGHTER )AND EACH YEAR, BLACK FRIDAY

GETS A LITTLE BIT BLACKER AND ALITTLE LESS FRIDAY.

>> RETAILERS ARE STUMBLING OVEREACH OTHER TO ANNOUNCE JUST HOW

EARLY THEY'RE GOING TO BEOPENING ON THE HOLIDAY THIS

YEAR.

JUST THIS MORNING J.C. PENNYANNOUNCING IT WILL

OPEN AT 5:00PM, THAT'S 3 HOURSEARLIER THAN IT OPENED LAST

YEAR. MACY'S, KOHLS AND SEARSWILL BE OPEN AT 6:00 P.M. ON

THANKSGIVING DAY.

ONE RETAILER TAKES THE CAKE--K-MART OPENING AT 6:00 A.M. ON

THANKSGIVING MORNING.

>> RETAIL EXPERTS CALL IT THE"CHRISTMAS CREEP," THAT SENSE

THAT THE HOLIDAYS ARE COMINGEARLIER AND EARLIER.

>> Stephen: YES, THE CHRISTMASCREEP, NOT TO BE CONFUSED WITH

THE MALL SANTA WHO WANTS YOU TOSIT ON HIS LAP JUST A LITTLE BIT

LONGER.

FOLKS, SOME RETAIL GRINCHES WANTTO DESTROY THIS HOLIDAY BY

LETTING THEIR EMPLOYEES HAVE AHOLIDAY.

>> COSTCO ANNOUNCED ALL OF ITS468 STORES WILL BE CLOSED ON

THANKSGIVING.

>> COSTCO TAKE A STAND ANDREALLY BUCKING THE TREND HERE,

SAYING THEIR WORKERS DESERVE AHOLIDAY, DECLARING THANKSGIVING

IS FOR FAMILIES, AND THE WORKERSSHOULD HAVE THAT OPPORTUNITY.

>> RADIO SHACK, HOBBY LOBBY.

>> BED BATH & BEYOND.

>> GAME STOP IS JOINING COSTCO,CLOSING UP SHOP ON THANKSGIVING

THIS YEAR.

>> Stephen: WHAT!

WHAT!

ON THANKSGIVING?

ALL OF MY FAVORITE STORES ARECLOSING?

AND RADIO SHACK?

( CHEERS AND APPLAUSE )( LAUGHTER )

I MEAN, NO-- NO RADIO SHACK?

NOW WHERE AM I GOING TO GET MYTHREE-PRONGED TURKEY-TO-YAM

ADAPTOR.

I AM TAKING A STAND RIGHT NOW.

THEY CANNOT DO THIS TO MY BLACKFRIDAY.

IT IS A CHERISHEDPOST-THANKSGIVING TRADITION THAT

GOES ALL THE WAY BACK TO THEORIGINAL THANKSGIVING WHEN THE

PILGRIMS KNOCKED THE INDIANS TOTHE GROUND SO THEY COULD BE THE

FIRST TO GET TO THE DISCOUNTBUCKLE HATS.

WE'LL BE RIGHT BACK.

( CHEERS AND APPLAUSE )>> Stephen: WELCOME BACK

EVERYBODY.

MY GUEST TONIGHT HAS WON THENOBEL PRIZE AND THE PRESIDENTIAL

MEDAL OF FREEDOM. WELL I WON THEEMMY OF LIBERTY

PLEASE WELCOME TONI MORRISON.

( CHEERS AND APPLAUSE )MISS MORRISON, THANK YOU SO MUCH

FOR BEING HERE.

A PLEASURE TO SEE YOU.

TONI MORRISON, HOW ARE YOU?

>> I'M FINE.

I'M FINE.

>> Stephen: IT'S A PLEASURE.

PLEASURE.

>> I'M VERY HAPPY TO BE HERE.

>> Stephen: I'M VERY HAPPY TOHAVE YOU.

>> CAN I READ YOUR QUESTIONS?

( APPLAUSE ).

>> Stephen: WOULD YOU LIKE TOREAD MY QUESTIONS?

>> YES.

>> Stephen: YES.

( LAUGHTER )>> "YOU'VE WON THE PULITZER AND

NOBEL PRIZE IN LITERATURE."

>> Stephen: NOT YET, BUT IHOPE TO.

( LAUGHTER )I WILL NOT BE AMBUSHED!

BUT THAT'S A GOOD POINT.

YOU HAVE WON THE PULITZER PRIZEAND THE NOBEL PRIZE IN

LITERATURE.

THAT IS LIKE THE ROCK 'N' ROLLHALL OF FAME OF BOOKS.

( CHEERS AND APPLAUSE ).

LET'S GO THROUGH SOME OF THEBOOKS YOU HAVE WRITTEN.

"THE BLUEST EYE."

"BELOVED."

"SONG OF SOLOMON," "SULA," AMONGOTHERS.

WHAT IS THE WEIGHT YOU FEEL, ORIS THERE ANY WEIGHT, ANY BURDEN

BEING A NOBEL PRIZE WINNER INLITERATURE?

YOU KNOW, THAT'S-- THAT'SHEMINGWAY.

THAT'S DORIS LESSING, THAT'SYOU.

DO YOU FEEL WORTHY?

( LAUGHTER )>> I KNOW THAT MY BOOKS ARE

WORTHY.

WHICH IS SEPARATE FROM ME.

( CHEERS AND APPLAUSE ).

AND THAT'S-- THAT'S THE PARTTHAT I REALLY RELISH, THAT PART.

NO, I-- ACTUALLY, I READ"BELOVED" A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO.

>> Stephen: YOUR OWN BOOK.

YOU READ YOUR OWN BOOK.

>> I READ MY BOOK.

>> Stephen: HAD YOU READ ITSINCE YOU WROTE IT?

>> NO. I NEVER READ THEM AFTERI FINISH THEM

UNLESS I'M READING IT PUBLICLYWHEN SOMEONE SAYS "WOULD YOU

READ PART OF YOUR BOOK?" BUT IREAD IT A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO.

>> Stephen: AND?

>> IT'S REALLY GOOD.

( LAUGHTER )>> Stephen: BRAVA.

THAT IS GREAT.

I'M A HUGE FAN OF MY WORK,TOO.

WERE YOU SURPRISED HOW GOOD YOURBOOK WAS?

>> AT THAT TIME, I MEAN, IT'SBEEN YEARS-- WHAT, 80s OR

SOMETHING?

WHEN WAS THAT BOOK PUBLISHED?

>> Stephen: I DON'T KNOW.

I'VE NEVER READ ANYTHING YOU'VEWRITTEN.

( LAUGHTER ).

>> I THINK IT WAS IN THE 80s.

BUT SOMEONE SENT ME A COPY ANDSAID WOULD I AUTOGRAPH IT AND I

WAS LOOKING FOR A PAGE AND IHAPPENED TO OPEN IT UP AT THE

BEGINNING OF THE BOOK.

AND I LOOKED DOWN, AND THEREWERE THESE SENTENCES, THESE

INCREDIBLE, BEAUTIFUL, LYRIC,STRAIGHT AND POWERFUL SENTENCES.

SO I JUST KEPT READING.

IT HAD BEEN A LONG, LONG TIME.

>> Stephen: WAS THERE ANYPOINT IN READING YOUR OWN POINT

THAT YOU THOUGHT I WOULD HAVEDONE SOMETHING DIFFERENTLY.

I REALLY SHANKED THAT SENTENCE.

WOULD YOU TEMPTED TO DO AREWRITE AT ALL?

>> THERE ARE BOOKS I THINK ICOULD DO A LITTLE BIT OVER.

THE FIRST BOOK I WROTE, "THEBLUEST EYE", IS ONE OF THE BOOKS

WHERE I THINK I MADE A FAIRLYSUBSTANTIAL MISTAKE IN NOT

DOING JUSTICE TO ONE OF THECHARACTERS.

IT WAS A CHARACTER I DIDN'TLIKE.

IT WAS A KIND OF -->> Stephen: WELL, THAT WILL

DO IT.

( LAUGHTER )AND I NEVER PAID HER CLOSE

ATTENTION.

>> Stephen: YOU HAVE SAID YOUDON'T NECESSARILY LIKE TO BE

PIGEONHOLED AS AN AFRICANAMERICAN WRITER.

WHAT WOULD YOU LIKE ME TOPIGEONHOLE YOU AS?

BECAUSE I HAVE TO CATEGORIZEEVERYBODY.

DO YOU WANT TO BE, YOU KNOW,PIGEONHOLED AS A KOREAN POP

STAR?

HOW SHOULD I SEE YOU AS ACATEGORY?

IF YOU DON'T WANT TO BE ANAFRICAN AMERICAN WRITER, HOW

SHOULD I THINK OF YOU?

>> AS AN AMERICAN WRITER.

>> Stephen: AS AN AMERICANWRITER.

( CHEERS AND APPLAUSE ).

YOU THINK I'M-- I DON'T-- I-- IDON'T SEE RACE.

OKAY.

I'VE-- I'VE EVOLVED BEYONDRACISM, ALL RIGHT.

I DON'T SEE RACE.

I DON'T EVEN SEE MY OWN.

PEOPLE TELL ME I'M WHITE AND IBELIEVE THEM BECAUSE I HAVEN'T

READ ANY OF YOUR BOOKS.

( LAUGHTER )CAN I, AS A WHITE MAN,

UNDERSTAND THE AFRICAN AMERICANEXPERIENCE?

>> YOU HAVE TO KNOW SOMETHINGABOUT RACISM.

>> Stephen: BUT THEN, WOULDN'TI BE A RACIST IF I THOUGHT ABOUT

RACISM?

>> PERHAPS, BUT MORE IMPORTANTTHAN THAT IS THERE IS NO SUCH

THING AS RACE.

NONE.

>> Stephen: REALLY?

>> THERE'S JUST THE HUMAN RACE,SCIENTIFICALLY,

ANTHROPOLOGICALLY, RACISM IS ACONSTRUCT, A SOCIAL CONSTRUCT.

AND IT HAS BENEFITS.

IT HAS MONEY-- MONEY CAN BE MADEOFF OF IT.

AND PEOPLE WHO DON'T LIKETHEMSELVESES CAN FEEL BETTER

BECAUSE OF IT.

IT CAN DESCRIBE CERTAIN KIND OFBEHAVIOR THAT ARE WRONG OR

MISLEADING.

SO IT HAS A SOCIAL FUNCTION,RACISM.

BUT RACE CAN ONLY BE DEFINED ASA HUMAN BEING.

>> Stephen: OK, SO --

( CHEERS AND APPLAUSE )>> Stephen: OBAMA HAS SAID

READING YOUR BOOK "THE SONG OFSOLOMON" TAUGHT HIM HOW TO BE.

>> TRUE, HE DID SAY THAT.

>> Stephen: IF YOU TAUGHT HIMHOW TO BE, ARE YOU PARTIALLY TO

BLAME FOR OBAMACARE?

WOULD YOU LIKE TO APOLOGIZE TOANYBODY?

>> I TAKE FULL RESPONSIBILITYFOR OBAMACARE.

( CHEERS AND APPLAUSE ).

>> Stephen: OK WE CAN CALL IT -->> TONI-CARE.

>> Stephen: TONI-CARE, THAT'SVERY NICE.

>> VERY GOOD.

>> Stephen: YOU DIDN'T WRITEYOUR FIRST NOVEL UNTIL YOU WERE

39, CORRECT?

>> THAT'S RIGHT.

>> Stephen: IS YOUR ENTIRELITERARY CAREER A MIDLIFE

CRISIS?

( LAUGHTER ).

>>UN, THAT'S A GOOD NAME FOR IT.

ACTUALLY.

>> Stephen: A MIDLIFE CRISIS?

>> YEAH, SOME KIND OF CRISISWHERE YOU JUST UP AND CHANGE.

YOU KNOW, I THOUGHT EVERYTHINGIN THE WORLD THAT I WANTED TO

READ HAD BEEN WRITTEN.

AND THEN IN MY 30s, I WANTEDSOMETHING ELSE.

I WANTED TO SHOW HOW PAINFULTHIS CONSTRUCTED, HORRIBLE

RACISM WAS ON THE MOSTVULNERABLE PEOPLE IN SOCIETY--

GIRLS, BLACK GIRLS, POOR GIRLS--AND THAT IT REALLY AND TRULY

COULD HURT YOU.

SO THAT'S WHAT I WAS LOOKING FORAND NO ONE, I THOUGHT, HAD

WRITTEN THAT BOOK.

SO SINCE I REALLY WANTED TO READIT, I THOUGHT I SHOULD WRITE IT.

>> Stephen: AND 25 YEARSLATER, YOU GOT TO READ IT, AND

YOU SAID THAT'S DAMN GOOD.

( LAUGHTER )( APPLAUSE )

TONI MORRISON, THANK YOU FORJOINING ME.

TONI MORRISON.

( CHEERS AND APPLAUSE ).

A HOST OF BOOKS.

WE'LL BE RIGHT BACK.

>> Stephen: THAT'S IT FOR THEREPORT, EVERYBODY, GOOD NIGHT.

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