October 29, 2014 - Jill Lepore

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Anita Sarkeesian discusses Gamergate, Kevin Vickers stops a shooting spree in Canada's parliament building, and Jill Lepore talks "The Secret History of Wonder Woman." 

[CHEERS AND APPLAUSE]>> Stephen: WELCOME TO THE

REPORT, GOOD TO HAVE YOU WITHUS.

[CROWD CHEERING] [CHANTING STEPHEN, STEPHEN]

[CROWD CHEERING] [CHANTING STEPHEN, STEPHEN]

>> Stephen: THANK YOU SOMUCH.

THANK YOU.

YOU FOLKS, YOU FOLKS AT HOMECAN'T POSSIBLY KNOW ABOUT THE

THINGS WE'VE ALL BEEN THROUGHTONIGHT ALREADY.

[LAUGHTER]THIS IS A STRESSFUL JOB, I'M

NOT GOING TO LIE TO YOU.

SO WHEN I'M NOT OUT HERESPITTING THE TRUTH HOT AND HARD,

I RELAX BY GAMING.

I'M A HUGE GAMER, I PLAY THEMALL, MONOPOLY, GO FISH.

SAYING I'LL MEET YOU THERE BUTTHEN IT TURNS OUT I

HAVE A THING AND I DON'T SHOWUP. I WIN.

I ALSO LOVE GAMES OF THE VIDEONATURE.

I'VE SPENT HUNDREDS OF HOURSPLAYING DARK SOULS, ASSASSIN'S

CREED, CALL OF DUTY.

WHICH IS WHEN I PAUSE ASSASSIN'SCREED AND GO USE THE BATHROOM.

[APPLAUSE]HIGH SCORE.

NEW HIGH SCORE LAST NIGHT. [LAUGHTER]

AS A GAMESMAN, I AM GRIPPED BY ASCANDAL CALLED GAMERGATE THAT'S

SHAKEN THE VIDEO WORLD.

YOU PROBABLY HEARD OF THE TERMGAMERGATE.

I HAVE.

THAT'S WHY I BROUGHT IT UP JUSTNOW.

[LAUGHTER]>> WHAT IS IT ABOUT.

IT IS A SCANDAL ABOUT GAMING ANDSEXISM THAT'S NOW MADE

FRONT PAGES ACROSS THE COUNTRY.

ONE MILLION TWEETS AND COUNTINGTO THE GAMERGATE HASHTAG. IT'S

AN ONLINE BATTLE OF THE SEXESOVER HOW GAMERS ARE PORTRAYED

IN THE SOMETIMES VIOLENTREACTION TO WOMEN WHO SPEAK OUT.

>> Stephen: YES, GAMERGATENAMED AFTER WATERGATE WHEN A

COVERT GROUP KNOWN AS THEPLUMBERS WERE CAUGHT

SPYING FOR THE WHITEHOUSE.

AT LEAST IN GAMERGATE WE KNOWWHO THE PLUMBERS ARE.

[LAUGHTER]AS THE TV MAN SAID, GAMERGATE

INVOLVES SOME MALE GAMERSHARASSING WOMEN WHO ARE

SPEAKING OUT ABOUT THE PORTRAYALOF WOMEN IN VIDEO GAMES

PRESUMING AFTER THE INITIALSHOCK

THAT WOMEN WERE EVEN SPEAKING TOTHEM AT ALL.

[CROWD CHEERING][APPLAUSE]

LEADING THE CHARGE IS MEDIACRITIC AND WORLD OF WAR CRAFT

TRIBUTE NAMED ANITA SARKEESIAN,WHO THINKS THE CURRENT

GENDER ROLES IN VIDEO GAMESMEGA-BITE. JIM?

>> FEMINIST CRITIC ANITASARKEESIAN HAS CONDEMNED

STEREOTYPES AND ABUSE OF WOMENIN VIDEO GAMES SUCH AS DRAGON

AGE ORIGINS.>> LET GO OF ME!

>> IT'S A PARTY, ISN'T IT? GRABA WHORE AND HAVE A GOOD TIME.

>> WOMEN ARE OFTEN A DAMSEL INDISTRESS, OR HELPLESS IN

SOME WAY OR HIGHLY SEXUALIZEDAND SORT OF CREATED TO BE THESE

MALE FANTASIES.

>> Stephen: YES, VIDEO GAMES ARELOADED WITH MALE FANTASY

STEREOTYPES LIKE ALL THEGIRLS IN DEAD OR ALIVE,

TIFA LOCKHART FROM FINAL FANTASY7 AND MS. PACMAN. SHE CAN

GOBBLE MY GHOST ANY TIME.

[LAUGHTER]GAMERGATERS SAY THAT THE SCANDAL

IS REALLY ABOUT SOMETHING CALLEDETHICS AND VIDEO GAME JOURNALISM

AND CLAIM COLLUSION BETWEENCRITICS LIKE SARKEESIAN, FEMALE

DEVELOPERS AND THE MEDIA TOFAVOR SOFTER MORE FEMALE

FRIENDLY GAME WHERE IN THIS ONEGAME YOU PLAY A GUST OF WIND.

DO YOU KNOW WHAT I SAY TO THATGUST OF WIND?

BLOW ME.

[LAUGHTER]NOW ACCORDING TO NEWS WEEK, THE

ORIGINAL CLAIM THAT STARTED ALLTHIS, COLLUSION BETWEEN ONE

DEVELOPER AND ONE REVIEWERWASN'T TRUE.

BUT THE FIRE WAS LIT AND THEFLAME WARS BEGAN.

>> IT IS A GROUP OF MALE GAMERSWHO ARE ATTACKING WOMEN.

>> THREATS OF DEATH AND OFSEXUAL VIOLENCE.

>> BOMB, RAPE AND DEATH THREATSFROM ON-LINE HARASSERS

>> GAME DEVELOPER BRIANNA WUWENT INTO HIDING OVER THE

WEEKEND AFTER RECEIVING DEATHTHREATS LIKE THESE.

YOU JUST MADE A BLANK GAMENOBODY LIKES.

THAT'S IT NOBODY WILL CARE WHENYOU DIE.

>> Stephen: AS OPPOSED TOON-LINE TROLLS, THEIR DEATHS

LEAD TO WIDESPREAD CELEBRATION.

BUT GAMERGATERS SAY THEY HAVEBEEN HARASSED TOO,

ESPECIALLY ONCE THE MEDIA SAWWHAT THEY WERE SAYING TO THESE

WOMEN. GAMERS HAVE COMPLAINEDABOUT

ANTI-GAMER, ANTI-NERD BULLYINGFOR FOLLOWING THEIR TRADITIONAL

GAMER LIFE-STYLE.

YES, THERE'S A TRADITIONAL GAMERLIFE-STYLE.

GOD ORDAINED IT IS ONE MAN, ONEJOY STICK.

READ YOUR BIBLE.

[APPLAUSE]READ YOUR BIBLE, FOLKS.

[APPLAUSE]IT'S RIGHT THERE IN SEGA GENESIS

.

WELL NO MATTER, NO MATTER WHATALL THESE FEMINIST CRITICS SAY,

I'M NOT ASHAMED OF MY HOBBYTHAT'S WHY I DO IT ALONE IN MY

BASEMENT.

BECAUSE NEWS FLASH WHAT I DO INA VIDEO GAME DOESN'T REFLECT THE

WAY I ACT IN THE REAL WORLD.

I LOVE MARIO KART BUT I DON'T GOAROUND THROWING BANANA PEELS OUT

OF MY CAR.

BECAUSE TURTLE SHELLS ARE MUCHMORE EFFECTIVE.

SO I SPEAK FOR ALL GAMERS WHEN ISAY THE

MEDIA SHOULD STOP TALKING TOCRITICS LIKE ANITA SARKEESIAN.

HERE NOW TO BE TALKED TO ISMEDIA CRITIC AND CREATOR

OF THE WEB SERIES FEMINISTFREQUENCY, ANITA SARKEESIAN

[APPLAUSE]ALL RIGHT, LOOK.

LET'S PUT THIS ON THE LINE,OKAY.

LET'S CALL THIS WHAT IT IS.

YOU AND THE OTHER FEMI-NAZISIN THE GAMER WORLD ARE COMING

FOR A BALLS TO CUT EM OFF ANDPUT THEM INTO A LITTLE FELT

PURSE AND TAKE THEM AWAY SO WE

HAVE TO PLAY YOUR NON-VIOLENTGAMES, RIGHT.

>> NO. THAT'S NOT TRUE.

>> IT'S A CULTURE WAR. IT'S ASUBCULTURE WAR.

>> THERE IS SOMETHING GOINGON, AND WHAT IT IS IS WOMEN

BEING HARASSED AND THREATENEDAND TERRORIZED.

>> AFTER YOU FIRST ATTACKEDGAMERS AFTER ENJOYING LOOKING

AT BIG BREASTED WOMEN WITH TINYARMOR THAT BARELY COVERS THEIR

NIPPLES. WHAT'S WRONG WITHTHAT? I LIKE WHAT THAT

LOOKS LIKE. I'M A MAN BABY, NEWSFLASH, I LIKE IT.

>> ONE OF THE PROBLEMS WITH THATIS IT ACTUALLY REINFORCES THE

CULTURE MYTH THAT WOMEN ARESEXUAL OBJECTS AND SEXUAL PLAY

THINGS FOR MALE AMUSEMENT ANDWE'RE NOT.

>> Stephen: WE'RE SAVINGTHEM. THEY'RE DAMSELS INDISTRESS.

I'M SAVING THE PRINCESS.

AM I SUPPOSED TO LET THEPRINCESS DIE? IS THAT WHAT YOU

WANT.

THAT'S KINDA HARSH, THAT'S KINDAHOSTILE.

>> MAYBE THE PRINCESS COULDN'TBE A DAMSEL AND SHE COULD SAVE

HERSELF.

[CROWD CHEERING]>> Stephen: THEY'VE GOT GAMES.

I DIDN'T KNOW YOU BROUGHT APOSSE.

>> I'M WELL LIKED.

>> Stephen: SO YOU'VE BEEN THEOBJECT OF CRITICISM YOURSELF.

>> YES.

>> Stephen: WHAT HAPPENED ATUTAH STATE UNIVERSITY.

>> THERE WAS A THREAT THATSOMEONE E-MAILED TO THE SCHOOL

SAYING THAT THEY WOULD COMMITTHE BIGGEST SCHOOL SHOOTING, A

MASSACRE IF I WAS ALLOWED TOSPEAK.

>> Stephen: BY CRITICIZINGTHESE, YOU SAY WOULD YOU CALL

THEM MALE FANTASY GAMES OR MALEFANTASY OBJECTIFICATION OF WOMEN

GAMES.

>> SOME OF THEM.

>> Stephen: GIVE ME SOMENAMES.

NAME SOME NAMES.

>> SO IN THE WORK THAT I DO, ILOOK AT HUNDREDS OF EXAMPLES OF

VIDEO GAMES.

>> Stephen: CAN YOU THINK OF 3?>> I CAN BUT IT'S A BIGGER ISSUE

TO TALK ABOUT THE INDUSTRY AS AWHOLE AND HOW IT PERPETUATES

THESE IDEAS OF SEXISM ANDMISOGYNY AS OPPOSED TO GRAND

THEFT AUTO FOR EXAMPLE.

>> Stephen: WHY DO YOU THINKTHAT WOMEN ARE BEING THREATENED.

IT'S ALMOST ENTIRELY WOMEN WHOARE BEING THREATENED IN GAMER

GATES.

>> YES.

>> Stephen: CHRIS KLUWE HASTALKED ABOUT THIS, OTHER MEN

HAVEN'T BEEN THREATENED.

WHY DO YOU THINK WOMEN ARE BEINGTHREATENED IN THIS EXCHANGE.

>> I THINK WOMEN ARE PERCEIVEDAS THREATENING BECAUSE WE'RE

ASKING FOR GAMES TO BE MOREINCLUSIVE.

WE'RE ASKING FOR GAMES TOACKNOWLEDGE THAT WE EXIST AND WE

LOVE GAMES.

>> Stephen: WHY NOT HAVE ASEPARATE GAME.

HAVE SEPARATE BUT EQUAL GAMES.

[LAUGHTER]>> WELL WE DO HAVE LOTS OF

DIFFERENT KINDS OF GAMES.

>> Stephen: WHAT ARE YOUCOMPLAINING ABOUT.

>> THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGSTHAT'S HAPPENING HERE IS WE HAVE

THIS WIDE RANGE OF GAME THATWE'RE SEEING MOBILE GAMES, WE'RE

SEEING INDY GAMES, WE'RE SEEINGTHIS INFLUX OF DIFFERENT KIND OF

GAMES AND THAT'S WHAT GAMERGATEIS RESPONDING TO.

THEY'RE ACTUALLY RESPONDING TOTHE FACT THAT YOU'RE SAYING

GAMING CAN NO LONGER BE THISLITTLE BOY'S CLUB ANYMORE.

MANY OF US WOMEN HAVE BEENPLAYING GAMES OUR WHOLE LIVES.

SO THEY'RE LASHING OUT BECAUSEWE'RE CHALLENGING THE STATUS QUO

OF GAMING AS A MALE DOMINATEDSPACE.

[APPLAUSE]>> Stephen: YOU SEE.

YOU HEAR THE APPLAUSE FOR THEIDEA OF A MALE DOMINATED SPACE.

WHAT ABOUT THE ACCUSATIONS OFCOLLUSION BETWEEN DESIGNERS,

FEMINISTS AND JOURNALISTS.

DO YOU UNDERSTAND HOW IMPORTANTIT IS.

WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ETHICS INGAMER JOURNALISM.

DO YOU UNDERSTAND HOW HUGE THATIS.

WHAT IF THERE WAS NO ETHICS INHOLLYWOOD JOURNALISM.

[LAUGHTER]IF WE CAN'T TRUST ENTERTAINMENT

TONIGHT OR TMZ, WHERE WOULD WEBE.

IS THAT WHAT YOU WANT FOR GAMERJOURNALISM.

>> I THINK THAT IS A SORT OFCOMPELLING WAY TO REFRAME THE

FACT THAT THIS IS ACTUALLY ANATTACK ON WOMEN.

ETHICS AND JOURNALISM IS NOTWHAT'S HAPPENING IN ANY WAY.

IT'S ACTUALLY MEN GOING AFTERWOMEN IN REALLY HOSTILE

AGGRESSIVE WAYS.

THAT'S WHAT GAMERGATE IS ABOUT.IT'S ABOUT TERRORIZING

WOMEN FOR BEING INVOLVED IN THISINDUSTRY, THIS HOBBY.

>> Stephen: OFF SUBJECT, BUT ASA MAN, AM I ALLOWED TO BE AFEMINIST.

>> DO YOU BELIEVE THAT WOMENSHOULD HAVE EQUAL RIGHTS TO

MEN AND WE SHOULD FIGHT FORTHOSE RIGHTS.

>> Stephen: SURE.

>> GREAT, THEN YOU'RE AFEMINIST.

[CHEERS AND APPLAUSE]>> Stephen: ANITA SARKEESIAN,

FEMINIST FREQUENCY. WE'LL BE RIGHT BACK.

>> Stephen: WELCOME BACK.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. SIT DOWN.THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

THE GREAT THING ABOUT THIS JOBIS I'M LEARNING SOMETHING NEW

ALL THE TIME.

FOR INSTANCE I JUST FOUND OUTCANADA HAS ITS OWN GOVERNMENT.

[LAUGHTER]EVEN MORE SHOCKING, IT IS NOT

LED BY WAYNE GRETZKY.

SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE IGUESS.

LAST WEEK IN OTTAWA A LONE GUNMAN OPENED FIRE ON PARLIAMENT

HILL, KILLING A SOLDIER THENCONTINUING HIS SHOOTING SPREE

INSIDE THE BUILDING. A SHOCKINGATTACK AND ALL AMERICANS SHARE

IN OUR NEIGHBORS GRIEF OVERTHE SENSELESS TRAGEDY.

BUT AS HORRIFIC AS THIS INCIDENTWAS,

IT WOULD HAVE BEEN EVEN WORSE IFIT HADN'T BEEN STOPPED BY THE

HOUSE OF COMMONSSERGEANT-AT-ARMS KEVIN VICKERS

SEEN HERE WITH HIS CEREMONIALGIANT BABY RATTLE.

[LAUGHTER]HERE'S WHAT HAPPENED.

>> AFTER EXCHANGING GUNSHOTSWITH THE PARLIAMENTARY SECURITY

TEAM AT THE ENTRANCE OF CENTERBLOCK THAT'S RIGHT HERE, HE MADE

HIS WAY TO THE END OF THE HALLOF HONOR BESIDE THE LIBRARY

THESE DOORS TO THE RIGHT IS ASMALL ALCOVE PROTECTED BY THIS

PILLAR AND HE TUCKS HIMSELF INTHERE AND HIDES.

KEVIN VICKERS OFFICE IS RIGHTAROUND THE CORNER.

HE HEARS THE GUNSHOT.

HE GRABS A HIS SIDEARM, ANAUTOMATIC PISTOL.

HE EXITS HIS OFFICE AND HEIMMEDIATELY RUNS TOWARDS THE

PILLAR HERE.

BIBEAU IS ON THE OTHER SIDE.

THEY'RE LITERALLY AT ARM'SLENGTH JUST AROUND THE PILLAR.

THE SERGEANT OF ARMS COULDACTUALLY SEE THE BARREL OF THE

GUN STICKING OUT FROM BEHIND THEPILLAR. HE DOESN'T HESITATE.

KEVIN VICKERS TAKES HIS SIDE ARMAND DIVES AROUND THE PILLAR TO

THE GROUND.

WHILE HE'S IN THE AIR HE SPINS,TO LAND ON HIS BACK, FIRING UP,

HITTING BIBEAU AS HE HITS THEGROUND.

TO HELL WITH BRUCE WILLIS.

THIS GUY, OUR NEIGHBOR TO THENORTH JUST PUT THE EH IN

YIPPY-KAY-EH, MOTHER (BLEEP)

THE VERY NEXT DAY.

LISTEN TO THIS, THE VERY NEXTDAY VICKERS RETURNED TO WORK AND

PARLIAMENT TORE THE ROOF OFF.

[APPLAUSE]

[APPLAUSE]

LOOK AT THAT MAGNIFICENTBASTARD.

STOIC.

HUMBLE.

FOLKS, I HAVE NOT BEEN THISMOVED BY SOMETHING CANADIAN

SINCE THE RETURN OF DEGRASSI.

I CANNOT BELIEVE I'M SAYING THISBUT I WAS WRONG ABOUT CANADA.

I'VE SAID SOME AWFUL THINGSABOUT YOU OVER THE YEARS

I SAID YOU'RE NOTHING BUT MAPLESUCKING MOOSE HUMPERS

I'VE SAID YOU WERE A BUNCH OFBEAVER STROKING ICE HOLES.

BUT NOW I KNOW THAT YOU ARESTEELY-EYED SNOWBALLED JOHN WU

DIVING (BLEEP) KICKERS WHO NOTONLY TAKE OUT THE TRASH, BUT

ALSO THE RECYCLING

SO TONIGHT I'M GOING TO DOSOMETHING, I'M GOING TO DO THE

MOST CANADIAN THING I CANIMAGINE AND SAY I AM SORRY.

NO, NO, NO.

I'M MORE THAN THAT.

I'M SORE-Y.

WHICH I KNOW IN YOUR LANGUAGEMEANS BOTH HELLO AND GOOD-BYE.

[LAUGHTER]AND TO MAKE AMENDS TO ALL

RESIDENT OF CANADIA FOREVERYTHING I EVER SAID I WILL

NOW SING YOUR NATIONAL ANTHEM.

[CROWD CHEERING]PLEASE RISE FOR SOMEONE ELSE'S

NATIONAL ANTHEM.

OH CANADA, OUR HOME AND NATIVELAND.

TRUE PATRIOT LOVE, IN ALL THYSON'S COMMAND, OH CANADA.

AND THE WAY YOU LOOK TONIGHT.

THANK YOU CANADA. WE'LL BE RIGHT BACK.

>> Stephen: WELCOME BACKEVERYBODY.

MY GUEST TONIGHT IS A HARVARDPROFESSOR WHO SAYS

WONDER WOMAN IS THE MISSING LINKOF THE WOMEN'S MOVEMENT.

SORRY GLORIA STEINEM, YOUSHOULD'VE HAD MAGIC WRIST CUFFS

PLEASE WELCOME JILL LEPORE.

THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR BEING ONHERE.

YOU'RE A PROFESSOR OF AMERICANHISTORY AT HARVARD UNIVERSITY.

YOU'RE A STAFF WRITER FOR THENEW YORK.

YOUR BOOK OF AGE IS THROUGH THENATIONAL BOOK AWARD AND YOUR NEW

BOOK IS CALLED THE SECRETHISTORY OF WONDER WOMAN.

WHAT IS THE HISTORY.

WE KNOW SHE'S AN AMAZONIANQUEEN.

>> SHE'S A PRINCESS.

WE KNOW BECAUSE --[LAUGHTER]

THEY HAVE LEFT ANCIENT GREECE TOREPLACE WITH JOURNEYMEN AND A

PLANE CRASHES ON PARADISE ISLAND1941.

AND THE U.S. MILITARYINTELLIGENCE OFFICER NEEDS TO BE

SAVED SO PRINCESS DIANA LEAVESTHE ISLAND, GIVES UP THE CROWN.

>> Stephen: WE'RE TALKING1941.

>> 1941.

>> Stephen: OKAY.

SHOULD A 73 YEAR OLD WOMAN BEWEARING AN OUTFIT LIKE THAT.

>> I THINK LIKE THE ETERNALLIFE KIND OF RUBBED OFF.

LIKE AN ANTI-AGING AFTER EFFECT.

>> Stephen: WAS SHE AFEMINIST ICON OR WAS THERE EVEN

A THING CALLED THAT AT THE TIME.

>> THERE WAS ABSOLUTELY A THINGCALLED THAT.

THE THING THAT'S INTERESTINGABOUT THE SECRET OF WONDER WOMAN

IS FIRST OF ALL I NEVER KNEW ANYOF THIS.

I WAS NEVER A COMICS PERSON.

BUT THE OLDEST FEMALE COMICSUPER HERO WHO HAS LASTED THIS

LONG.

SUPERMAN STARTS IN 1938.

BATMAN 1939, BAT WOMAN NEVERBEEN OUT OF FRANCE SHE JOINS THE

JUSTICE SOCIETY IN 1942.

THEY HAVE A LOT OF READERS.

A WOMEN ISN'T ALLOWED TO JOINTHE JUSTICE SOCIETY.

>> Stephen: SHE'S ALLOWED TOJOIN.

>> SHE'S VOTED IN.

ONLY EIGHT KIDS VOTED AGAINSTHER. IT'S A WALK-OFF.

>> Stephen: I UNDERSTAND WHENSHE'S FIRST ELECTED TO THE

JUSTICE SOCIETY SHE'S THESECRETARY.

>> YES, THAT'S TRUE.

>> Stephen: SHE'S THESECRETARY TO THE JUSTICE

SOCIETY.

>> THAT'S TRUE.

>> Stephen: DOES SHE KICK ALITTLE ASS TO GET OUT OF

THAT JOB BECAUSE I WOULD BEANGRY IF I WERE WONDER WOMAN.

>> IT'S PRETTY ROUGH.

THE GUY WHO CREATED WONDER WOMANIS THIS HARVARD PH.D.

PSYCHOLOGIST NAMED WILLIAMMARSTON

>> Stephen: THAT'S MY NEXTQUESTION IS HOW CAN SHE BE A

FEMINIST ICON WHEN SHE WASCREATED BY THIS MAN MARSTON

>> HE SAID WONDER WOMAN ISPSYCHOLOGICAL PROPAGANDA FOR THE

NEW TYPE OF WOMAN I BELIEVESHOULD RULE THE WORLD.

[CROWD CHEERING]>> Stephen: WHAT DOES

FEMINISM MEAN AT THIS TIME.

>> THE INTERESTING THING ABOUTMARSTON CREATING WONDER WOMAN

IN 1941 IS SHE'S REALLY A THROWBACK.

HE HAD GONE TO COLLEGE INTHE 1910s AND WAS REALLY

INSPIRED BY THE SUFFRAGEMOVEMENT.

WOMEN GAINED THE RIGHT TO VOTEIN THE 19TH AMENDMENT IN 1920.

HE WAS A FRESHMAN IN HARVARD IN1911 WHEN THE GREAT SUFFRAGISTS

EMMELINE PANKHURST CAME TO CAMPUS. HARVARD BANNED HER

FROM SPEAKING ON CAMPUS, THEY DIDN'T LET WOMEN SPEAK ON CAMPUS

AT THE TIME. SHE GAVETHIS ADDRESS IN HARVARD SQUARE

IT WAS INCREDIBLY ROUSING. HEMARRIED HIS CHILDHOOD

SWEETHEART WHO WENT TO MTHOLYOKE WHICH WAS A HOTBED OF

SUFFERAGE IN THE 1910s. HEBECOMES A PROFESSOR AND TEACHES

AT TUFTS UNIVERSITY IN 1925.

MY ALMA MATER, TUFTS UNIVERSITY.

[APPLAUSE]AND FALLS IN LOVE WITH ONE OF

HIS STUDENTS WHO HAPPENS TO BETHE NIECE OF MARGARET SANGER WHO

FOUNDED THE BIRTH CONTROLMOVEMENT.

SHE MOVES INTO THE FAMILY ANDTHEY ARE POLYAMOROUS.

>> THIS GUY WHO IS A FEMINISTHAS GOT TWO WOMEN ONE OF WHOM IS

AN UNDERGRADUATE HE'S TEACHINGAND HIS WIFE IS COOL WITH THAT?

>> SO OLIVE BYRNE IS THEDAUGHTER OF ETHEL BYRNE,

WHO IS MARGARET SANGER'S SISTER.

THEY ARE NURSES AND IN 1914,MARGARET SANGER FOUND THE WOMAN

REBELS, A FEMINIST NEWSPAPER

SORT OF AN ANTECEDENT OF WONDERWOMAN. THEY OPENED THE FIRST

BIRTH CONTROL CLINIC IN THE U.S.IN BROOKLYN

AND THEY ARE ARRESTED FOROBSCENITY BECAUSE YOU CAN'T

TALK ABOUT BIRTH CONTROL. THEYCOINED THE PHRASE.

ETHEL BYRNE GOES ON A HUNGERSTRIKE IN JAIL

PLANNED PARENTHOOD WAS FOUNDEDIN 1916 BY ETHEL BYRNE AND

MARGARET SANGER.(APPLAUSE)

>> Stephen: SO THE GUY WHOCREATED WONDER WOMAN HAS A WIFE

AND A GIRL ON THE SIDE WHO HEKNOWS IS ON BIRTH CONTROL.

>> YES.

[LAUGHTER]>> Stephen: SO THE PLAYGROUND

IS OPEN, ALL RIGHT.

>> HE SAYS TO HIS WIFE, YOUKNOW, I WOULD LIKE HER TO LIVE

WITH US AND I REALLY LOVE HERAND YOU COULD, EITHER SHE COULD

LIVE WITH US, SHE COULD TAKECARE OF THE CHILDREN AND YOU

COULD GO TO WORK, IT'D SOLVEYOUR PROBLEMS.

>> Stephen: AS A WOMAN HOW

WOULD YOU FEEL ABOUT THAT.

WOULD YOU BE INTO THAT.

WOULD YOU BE DOWN FOR THAT?

>> NO.

THERE'S NO OTHER ANSWER.

>> Stephen: NO.

>> THERE'S NO OTHER ANSWER.

>> Stephen: I'M MORE OF AFEMINIST THAN YOU ARE.

[CROWD CHEERING]>> EXACTLY.

>> Stephen: THANK YOU VERYMUCH.

[CROWD CHEERING]>> Stephen: JILL LEPORE, THE

SECRET HISTORY OF WONDER WOMAN. WE'LL BE RIGHT BACK.

>> Stephen: THAT'S IT FOR THEREPORT EVERYBODY, GOOD NIGHT.

(SINGING)

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