October 16, 2014 - William Deresiewicz

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C.J. Chivers weighs in on abandoned WMDs found in Iraq, Rick Scott and Charlie Crist face off in an unusual debate, and author William Deresiewicz discusses "Excellent Sheep." 

(CHEERS AND APPLAUSE)(AUDIENCE CHANTING "STEPHEN")

>> Stephen: HEY, EVERYBODY!

GOOD TO SEE YA!

WELCOME TO "THE REPORT"!

THANK YOU FOR JOINING US!

WHOO!!

WHOO!!

WHOO!!(CHEERS AND APPLAUSE)

I'LL BE RIGHT WITH YOU, I'VEJUST GOT TO LISTEN TO THIS,

HOLD ON ONE SECOND. HERE WE GO.

ONE, TWO, THREE!

♪ MY BABY DON'T MESS AROUND ♪ BECAUSE SHE SOMETHIN'

SOMETHIN' I KNOW FOR SURE... ♪ ♪ BUT DOES SHE REALLY WANT

OH I'M SORRY. I'M JUST LOVINGTHIS FEELING

BECAUSE I'M PARTYING LIKE IT'S2003.

I'VE GOT SOME "HEY YA!"CRANKING IN THE EARBUDS OF MY

ORIGINAL iPod ONE.

(CHEERS AND APPLAUSE)THIS THING IS AMAZING.

DID YOU KNOW YOU CAN STORE UP TO1,000 COPIES OF "HEY YA!"?

(LAUGHTER)I'M CELEBRATING LIKE IT'S 2003

BECAUSE, AT LONG LAST, WE'VE WONTHE WAR IN IRAQ.

(CHEERS AND APPLAUSE)NO, I'M SORRY, GUYS.

NO, JIMMY, THE EARLIER ONE.

NO, NOT THAT EARLY.

YEAH, THAT'S THE ONE RIGHTTHERE!

THERE'S YOUR SWEET SPOT!

TELL 'EM WHY.

>> THIS IS A BIG ONE.

A BOMBSHELL NEW DISCOVERY BY THE"NEW YORK TIMES," WEAPONS OF

MASS DESTRUCTION WERE FOUND INIRAQ BUT IT WAS KEPT SECRET.

THE "TIMES" REPORTING BETWEEN2004 AND 2011, AMERICAN TROOPS

FOUND 5,000 CHEMICAL WARHEADS.

>> 5,000 SHELLS AND BOMBSCONTAINING THINGS LIKE SARIN AND

MUSTARD GAS.

>> SADDAM DID HAVE WEAPONS OFMASS DESTRUCTION.

>> THE STORY SHOWS THAT, INFACT, SADDAM DID STILL HAVE

WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION IN2003 WHEN WE INVADED.

>> Stephen: BUSH WAS RIGHT!

IRAQ HAD WMDs THE WHOLE TIME!

I FEEL A COMBINATION OF TWOSTRONG EMOTIONS -- OH, MY GOD,

SHOCK AND AWE!

(LAUGHTER)I FINALLY UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU

WERE TALKING ABOUT, SIR!

THERE'S NO TELLING WHAT ELSEBUSH WAS RIGHT ABOUT.

I BET SOME OF THOSE WEAPONS WERE"NUCULAR"?

(LAUGHTER)THIS VINDICATION MUST REALLY

WARM DICK CHENEY'S -- ARCREACTOR?

I DON'T KNOW WHAT HE'S GOT INTHERE NOW.

NOTHING BUT NOTHING IS GOING TOKILL MY BUZZ OVER THESE WMDs

NOT EVEN THE SECOND LINE OFEVERY STORY ABOUT THEM.

>> THESE WERE NOT THE WEAPONS WEWENT TO WAR OVER.

THESE WERE OLD DISCARDED WEAPONS

>> THEY WERE NOT THE SO-CALLEDWEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION

USED TO JUSTIFY THE INVASION.THEY WERE FROM THE OLD

SHELLS AND WARHEADSFROM THE IRAN-IRAQ WAR.

>> Stephen: SHAKE IT, COME ONSHAKE IT, SHAKE IT LIKE A

POLAROID PICTURE. BEYONCE'S, ANDLUCY LIU'S, AND BABY DOLL'S.

I'M SORRY.

I DIDN'T CATCH A LOT OF THAT.

POINT IS, IRAQ MADE THESE AWFULWEAPONS, AND AMERICA HAD A MORAL

OBLIGATION TO PUNISH THEM ANDANYONE WHO HELPED THEM.

>> THIS HAS TO BE ONE OF THEBITTEREST IRONIES OF THE IRAQ

WAR.

THESE ARE WEAPONS THAT IRAQ HADMANUFACTURED WITH HELP FROM

WESTERN COUNTRIES INCLUDING THEU.S. DURING ITS WAR WITH IRAN IN

THE 1980s.

>> Stephen: OKAY.

SO WE HELPED ARM THEM WITHCHEMICAL WEAPONS IN THE 1980s.

BUT COME ON, THERE ARE A LOT OFTHINGS WE REGRET FROM THE

'80s.

WOULDN'T SURPRISE ME IF WE ALSOARMED THEM WITH BUNS OF STEEL.

(LAUGHTER)AT LEAST NOW WE KNOW WHAT DONALD

RUMSFELD AND SADDAM HUSSEIN WERESHAKING HANDS OVER IN 1983!

HERE'S WHAT WE DID, ACTUALLYIT'S KIND OF A FUNNY STORY.

BACK WHEN IRAQ WAS FIGHTINGIRAN, TWO AMERICAN COMPANIES

PROVIDED HUNDREDS OF TONS OFTHIODIGLYCOL, A MUSTARD GAS

AGENT PRECURSOR, INCLUDING THECOMPANY CARDINAL STABILIZER, A

SPECIALTY CHEMICAL FIRM FROM MYHOMETOWN OF CHARLESTON, SOUTH

CAROLINA. WELL, NOW I FINALLYKNOW THE SECRET TO MY STATE'S

DELICIOUS BARBECUE -- A TANGYMUSTARD-GAS SAUCE.

SO GOOD YOU WILL CLAW YOUR EYESOUT!

(CHEERS AND APPLAUSE)YOU WILL SLAP YOUR GRANDMA!

(LAUGHTER)AND THIS W-M-DISCOVERY IS NEWS

TO EVERYONE BECAUSE EVEN"CONGRESS WAS ONLY PARTLY

INFORMED" THESE WEAPONS EXISTED,WHILE "TROOPS AND OFFICERS WERE

INSTRUCTED TO BE SILENT OR GIVEDECEPTIVE ACCOUNTS OF WHAT THEY

HAD FOUND."

IT WAS SORT OF A "DON'T ASKDON'T TELL" FOR THE LGBT WMD

COMMUNITY.

(LAUGHTER)POINT IS, THE STORY PROVES ONCE

AND FOR ALL THAT THE WAR WASCOMPLETELY NECESSARY AND

JUSTIFIED.

HERE TO SAY HIS STORY DOESN'TSAY THAT IS PULITZER PRIZE

WINNING REPORTER FROM THE "NEWYORK TIMES,"

REPORTER C.J. CHIVERS. GOOD TOSEE YOU.

HERE'S THE ARTICLE BLOWING THELID OFF EVERYTHING.

HERE'S MY NUMBER ONE QUESTION.

PROVES WE HAD WMDs THERE INIRAQ.

WHY DIDN'T GEORGE BUSH BRAGABOUT THIS MORE BECAUSE THE

EGG ON HIS FACE IS THAT THEREWERE NO WMDs.

WAS HE BEING JUST TOO HUMBLEHERE?

WAS THE WAR SO POPULAR HE DIDN'TWANT TO RUN UP THE SCOREBOARD AT

THIS POINT?>> THESE WEREN'T THE WMDs HE

WAS TALKING ABOUT. THESE WEAPONSWERE OLD DISCARDED JUNK FROM

ABOUT TWO WARS BEFORE.

>> Stephen: DON'T TRY YOUROBI-WAN KENOBI "THESE AREN'T THE

DROIDS YOU'RE LOOKINGFOR" ON ME (LAUGHTER)

>> THEY WEREN'T EVEN USED ASWMDs

>> Stephen: SO THEY'RE NOTDANGEROUS AT ALL?

>> THEY'RE DANGEROUS, THEY'REUSED IN LOCAL ATTACKS AND

IMPROVISED BOMBS WHERE THEY WEREDISCARDED IN OLD STOCKPILES.

>> Stephen: WHY DIDN'T WE FINDOUT ABOUT THEM AT ALL TILL YOUR

ARTICLE.

>> ACTUALLY YOU DID.

THROUGH 2004, OUR GOVERNMENT HADA GOOD RECORD OF DISCLOSING A

LOT OF THE INFORMATION.

CHARLES DUELFER IN THE IRAQSURVEY GROUP GAVE US A THOROUGH

REPORT THROUGH 2004 THAT STANDSUP TO THIS DAY, BUT BY 2006 THEY

STOPPED TALKING ABOUT IT AND IN2006 THE NUMBER OF DISCOVERIES

TOOK OFF AND THE NUMBER OFTROOPS THAT WERE WOUNDED ALSO

ACCELERATED SHARPLY AND AT THATPOINT THERE HAD BEEN A TURN IN

THE PRACTICE AND THEY WEREN'TTALKING ABOUT IT.

I DON'T KNOW WHY THEY WEREN'T.

>> YOU DON'T KNOW WHY THISSUDDENLY BECAME A SECRET?

>> THROUGH 2004, THE RECORD'SGOOD.

HAD THEY CONTINUED THE PRACTICE,I WOULDN'T HAVE TO SIT HERE AND

TELL YOU ABOUT THIS.

THIS COULD HAVE COME OUT INREALTIME AND BEEN A SERIES OF

SMALL STORIES AND DIGESTED BYTHE PERSON PUBLIC AND THE BODY

POLITIC A LONG TIME AGO.

>> Stephen: SPEAKING OF SMALLSTORIES, THIS IS NOT A SMALL

STORY.

NOT ONLY HAS IT MADE A BIGSPLASH, BUT IT'S AN EXTREMELY

LONG ARTICLE IN HERE.

IS THIS WHY THE "NEW YORK TIMES"DOESN'T HAVE A COMICS PAGE?

(LAUGHTER)BECAUSE ZIGGY NEVER DEPRESSES ME

LIKE THIS.

>> I THINK IT'S SHORT.

I FILED TWICE AS LONG.

>> Stephen: REALLY? AND THEY CUTIT IN HALF?

>> YES.

>> Stephen: YOU ALREADY GOT APULITZER. WHEN YOU HOLD UP YOUR

PULITZER, DOES IT GLOW BLUE LIKESTING DOES WHEN ORCS ARE AROUND?

>> NO, THIS IS A STORY ABOUTENLISTED SOLDIERS WHO HAD ONE OF

THE MOST DANGEROUS JOBS ON THEBATTLEFIELD IN THE LAST WAR, WHO

WORKED HARD, SERVED WELL,SUFFERED SOMETHING SURPRISING

AND WERE AT A MINIMUMCASUALTY-NEGLECTED IF NOT

OUTRIGHT ABUSED.

>> Stephen: DID THE GUYS WHOFOUND THE STUFF, THEY WERE

INJURED BY THIS.

>> MANY WERE NOT WOUNDED.

SOME WERE WOUNDED.

>> Stephen: DID THEY GET APURPLE HEART?

>> MOST OF THEM DID NOT.

>> Stephen: BECAUSE IT HAD TOBE A SECRET?

>> THEY DIDN'T GET PURPLE HEARTSFOR A VARIETY OF REASONS BUT

AMONG THEM IS THE PURPLE HEARTSYSTEM BY MY ESTIMATE IS BROKEN.

THERE ARE FOUR SERVICES THATHAVE DIFFERENT PROCESSES AND

DIFFERENT STANDARDS FOR GETTINGTHE PURPLE HEART.

SOME OF THESE MEMBERS WERE NOTRECOMMENDED FOR PURPLE HEARTS,

OTHERS WERE BY COMMANDERS ANDDENIED BY THE SERVICES.

ONE PARTICULAR INCIDENT A STAFFSERGEANT HAD A PURPLE HEART

GIVEN BY THE SECRETARY OF THEARMY AND SOMEONE SEVERAL WEEKS

LATER CAME ALONG AND TOOK IT OFFHIS CHEST.

>> Stephen: WHY WAS IT TAKENOFF?

>> THEY SAID THEY ERRONEOUSLYISSUED IT.

>> Stephen: BECAUSE THE EVENTWAS NOT SUPPOSED TO HAVE

HAPPENED?

>> THAT'S THE QUESTION I HAVEBEEN ASKING THEM FOR MANY

MONTHS.

>> Stephen: WHAT ABOUT MEDICALCARE?

THESE SOLDIERS, I UNDERSTANDTHAT SOMETIMES DOCTORS WERE NOT

TOLD THAT THEY'D ENCOUNTEREDCHEMICAL WEAPONS FOR SECRECY

REASONS.

>> WE TALKED ABOUT SECRECY,THAT'S RIGHT. FOR MANY OF THESE

TROOPS THE CHEMICAL SYMPTOMSTOOK TIME TO MANIFEST

THEMSELVES, CAME TO SICK CALLTHE DAY AFTER THE EVENT. AND

BECAUSE NO ONE SEEMED TO KNOWTHAT CHEMICAL WEAPONS WERE STILL

A FEATURE OF THE BATTLEFIELD,THE DOCTORS WERE NOT

ANTICIPATING THE CASUALTIES ANDWHEN THEY ARRIVED THEY LOOKED AT

OTHER POTENTIAL CAUSES

DEHYDRATION, SUNBURN,EXHAUSTION.

>> Stephen: LACTOSE INTOLERANCE.SOMETHING ELSE.

(LAUGHTER)AS A RESULT, DID THEY NOT GET

PROPER MEDICAL CARE?

>> MANY DID NOT.

SOME WERE NEGLECTED CARE.

>> Stephen: WHAT'S THEPENTAGON'S RESPONSE SO FAR?

>> THE PENTAGON'S RESPONSE ISI'M NOT WORKING IN WASHINGTON SO

I DIDN'T WALK INTO THE PENTAGONBUT THE PENTAGON ESSENTIALLY

ACKNOWLEDGED THE FINDINGS ANDI'VE HEARD THEY'RE TAKING STEPS

TO MAKE SURE THE TROOPS WHO WEREEXPOSED ARE TREATED WELL AND

THERE'S SOME TALK THEY'RE GOINGTO LOOK AT THE PURPLE HEARTS AND

THE SOLDIERS WHO DIDN'T RECEIVETHEM AND TRYING TO FIND IF

THERE'S A LARGER POPULATION OFEXPOSED VETERANS TO GET THEM

ENROLLED IN CARE.

>> Stephen: THANK YOU SO MUCH.

C.J. CHIVERS, THE SECRETCASUALTIES OF IRAQ'S ABANDONED

CHEMICAL WEAPONS.

WE'LL BE RIGHT BACK.

>> Stephen: WELCOME BACK.

THANK YOU SO MUCH!

(CHEERS AND APPLAUSE)(AUDIENCE CHANTING "STEPHEN")

THANK YOU SO MUCH!

ALL RIGHT!

LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, THANK YOUSO MUCH.

HAVE A SEAT.

NATION, IT'S MED-TERM SEASONAND, EARLIER THIS WEEK, I GAVE

YOU COMPLETE COVERAGE OF ONE OFTHE MOST EXPLOSIVE RACES -- THE

CONTEST IN FLORIDA BETWEENREPUBLICAN INCUMBENT GOVERNOR

RICK SCOTT AND DEMOCRATIC FORMERGOVERNOR CHARLIE CRIST.

LAST NIGHT, THE TWO WERESCHEDULED TO FACE OFF IN A

DEBATE.

IT WAS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THESEGUBERNATORIAL CANDIDATES TO SHOW

VOTERS WHO IS MORENATORIAL-GUBER-Y.

(LAUGHTER)AND THIS BEING FLORIDA, RIGHT

OFF THE BEAN, THINGS GOT VERYFLORIDA.

(LAUGHTER)>> WE WANT TO TAKE A SHOT OF THE

STAGE HERE AT BAILEY HALL INBROWARD COUNTY, AND AS YOU CAN

SEE, THE TWO CANDIDATES, WHOWERE INVITED TO TAKE PART IN

THIS DEBATE, RIGHT NOW ARE NOTSTEPPING UP ON THE STAGE.

(LAUGHTER)LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, WE HAVE AN

EXTREMELY PECULIAR SITUATIONRIGHT NOW.

WE HAVE GOVERNOR CHARLIE CRIST(CHEERS AND APPLAUSE)

FLORIDA GOVERNOR RICK SCOTT, OURINCUMBENT GOVERNOR, AND THE

REPUBLICAN COUNTY FOR GOVERNORIS ALSO IN THE BUILDING,

GOVERNOR RICK SCOTT.

WE HAVE BEEN TOLD THAT GOVERNORSCOTT WILL NOT BE PARTICIPATING

IN THIS DEBATE.

(LAUGHTER)>> Stephen: THAT'S RIGHT, ONLY

CHARLIE CRIST WAS ON STAGE!

GIVING C-SPAN ITS MOST DRAMATICTELEVISION MOMENT SINCE THE

CANCELLATION OF BOOKNOTESDEATHMATCH.

FOLKS, I WAS WORRIED ABOUT MYGUY, REPUBLICAN GOVERNOR AND

PYTHON ON ECSTASY, RICK SCOTT.

(LAUGHTER)BUT HE HAD AN EXCELLENT REASON

FOR NOT BEING THERE.

>> GOVERNOR CRIST HAS ASKED TOHAVE A FAN, A SMALL FAN PLACED

UNDERNEATH HIS PODIUM.

THE RULES OF THE DEBATE THAT IWAS SHOWN BY THE SCOTT CAMPAIGN

SAY THAT THERE SHOULD BE NO FAN.

SOMEHOW THERE IS A FAN THERE.

>> GOVERNOR CRIST, DO THE RULESOF THE DEBATE SAY THAT THERE

SHOULD BE NO FAN?

>> ARE WE REALLY GOING TO DEBATEABOUT A FAN, OR ARE WE GOING TO

TALK ABOUT EDUCATION AND THEENVIRONMENT AND THE FUTURE OF

OUR STATE?

>> Stephen: FAN!

FAN!

FAN!

WHO TWO (BLEEP) ABOUT THEENVIRONMENT OR EDUCATION?

IT'S FLORIDA.

EVERYONE NEEDS A FAN!

AND I'M NOT ALONE IN BEING A FANFAN BECAUSE, EVEN THOUGH SCOTT

CAME OUT THREE MINUTE LATER ANDTHEY HELD A HEATED HOUR-LONG

DEBATE ON A VARIETY OF TOPICS,ALL ANYONE IS TALKING ABOUT FOOD

IS FANGATE!

(LAUGHTER)FOLKS, CLEARLY FOR SCOTT'S

CAMPAIGN, LAST NIGHT BLEW.

AND IF YOU TURN THE SWITCH THEOTHER WAY, IT SUCKED.

(CHEERING)BIG FANS OF SUCKING HERE

TONIGHT.

(CHEERING)BUT THE WHOLE THING WAS UNFAIR.

NOW I DON'T BLAME CRIST FORWANTING TO BRING HIS OWN

COOLANT.

BASED ON THAT SKIN TONE, I'D SAYHIS CORE TEMPERATURE'S AROUND

450 DEGREES.

(LAUGHTER)BUT WHY SHOULD CRIST GET TO COOL

HIMSELF WITH A FAN, BUT SCOTTISN'T ALLOWED TO CONTROL HIS

TEMPERATURE BY LAYING ON ACHILLED ROCK?

(LAUGHTER)MEANWHILE, BOTH SIDES ARE STILL

OSCILLATING OVER WHETHER THE FANWAS A VIOLATION.

SCOTT'S CAMPAIGN SIGNED A RULESDOCUMENT STATING THAT

"CANDIDATES MAY NOT BRINGELECTRONIC DEVICES, INCLUDING

FANS."

BUT CRIST'S CAMPAIGN ADDED,"WITH UNDERSTANDING THAT THE

DEBATE HOSTS WILL ADDRESS ANYTEMPERATURE ISSUES WITH A FAN IF

NECESSARY," ALL OF WHICH IS JUSTSPLITTING HAIRS.

WHICH IS ALSO UNFAIR TO RICKSCOTT.

(LAUGHTER)BUT THE FAN WASN'T RICK SCOTT'S

ONLY OBJECTION LAST NIGHT.

HE HAD AN EVEN BETTER REASON FORNOT TAKING THE STAGE.

>> GOVERNOR SCOTT, WHY THE DELAYIN COMING OUT OVER A FAN?

>> I WAITED TO BE -- UNTIL WEFIGURED OUT IF HE WAS GONNA SHOW

UP.

HE SAID HE WASN'T GOING TO COMETO THE -- UH -- HE WAS -- HE

SAID HE WASN'T GONNA COME TO THEDEBATE.

SO WHY COME OUT UNTIL HE'SREADY?

>> Stephen: RIGHT, HE WAS JUSTWAITING IN THE WINGS FOR SEVEN

MINUTES TO FIGURE OUT WHETHERTHE GUY ON STAGE WAS GONNA COME

TO THE DEBATE.

(LAUGHTER)BOTTOM LINE, AS MUCH AS I WISH

IT WASN'T TRUE, LAST NIGHT INMIAMI, RICK SCOTT WAS...

BLOWN AWAY.

(LAUGHTER)(CHEERS AND APPLAUSE)

>> Stephen: WHOO!

WE'LL BE RIGHT BACK.

(CHEERS AND APPLAUSE)>> Stephen: WELCOME BACK,

EVERYBODY! MY GUEST TONIGHT ISTHE AUTHOR OF "EXCELLENT SHEEP"

ABOUT THE FAILURE OF IVY LEAGUESCHOOLS. YOU DON'T HAVE TO READ

IT BECAUSE IT'S NOT ON THETEST.

PLEASE WELCOME WILLIAMDERESIEWICZ!

GOOD TO SEE YOU!

IS IT DR. DERESIEWICZ, DOYOU HAVE A Ph.D.?

>> I DO. YOU CAN CALL ME BILL.

>> Stephen: FINE.

DR. BILL, THANK YOU FOR BEINGHERE. YOU'RE A CONTRIBUTING

WRITER TO THE NATION, ACONTRIBUTING EDITOR FOR THE

NEW REPUBLIC AND THE AMERICANSCHOLAR.

YOU TAUGHT AT YALE FOR TENYEARS, AND BEFORE THAT

YOU WERE A GRADUATE INSTRUCTORAT COLUMBIA UNIVERSITY.

YOU HAVE A NEW BOOK CALLEDEXCELLENT SHEEP, THE

MISEDUCATION OF THE AMERICANELITE AND THE WAY TO A

MEANINGFUL LIFE.

>> RIGHT.

>> Stephen: OKAY.

THAT TITLE IS AS LONG AS THEDOCTORATE, OKAY.

(LAUGHTER)I HOPE THAT TITLE WENT THROUGH

PEER REVIEW.

>> YEAH.

>> Stephen: SO WHAT DO YOUMEAN THE MISEDUCATION OF THE

AMERICAN ELITE?

ARE YOU SAYING LIKE IVY LEAGUESCHOOLS AREN'T WHAT THEY'RE

CRACKED UP FOR?

>> THEY'RE NOT WHAT THEY'RECRACKED UP TO BE.

THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO BE TRAININGA WONDERFUL LEADERSHIP CLASS.

>> STEPHEN: BUT YOU'RE AN IVYLEAGUE GUY, RIGHT?

>> I AM.

>> Stephen: WHY DID ONE OF THEIVY LEAUGUE PEOPLE WRITE THE

BOOK SAYING, DON'T GO TO THOSEIVY LEAGUE SCHOOLS!

LET ME PULL UP THAT LADDERBEHIND ME, MUST BE IN YOUR WAY!

ENJOY YOUR STATE SCHOOL, HAVE AGREAT TIME! I HEAR THEY

HAVE FRATS>> IF WE HADN'T WORKED THERE,

YOU WOULD SAY, WHAT DO YOU GUYSKNOW?

WE'VE SEEN WHAT GOES ON IN THESAUSAGE FACTORY, WE'VE SEEN HOW

THE ELITE ARE PRODUCED.

>> Stephen: HOW ARE THEYPRODUCED?

I'M AN ELITE MYSELF.

I WENT TO DARTMOUTH, MY FRIEND.

>> I DIDN'T KNOW THAT.

>> Stephen: YEAH.

WHAT MATTERS IS WHAT DO KIDSHAVE TO DO TO GET THERE.

>> Stephen: MY GRANDFATHER HADTO BUILD A BUILDING.

>> THAT'S NOT HOW IT WORKSANYMORE.

>> Stephen: REALLY, YOU CAN'TJUST BUILD A BUILDING?

THEY JUMP THROUGH ONE HOOPTHROUGH ANOTHER TO BECOME

PERFECTIONIST AND CONFORMIST.KIDS ARE TAUGHT TO JUMP

THROUGH THE HOOPS AND NOTTHINK FOR THEMSELVES OR

DIRECT THEIR OWN LIVES OR DECIDEWHAT THEY WANT TO DO AFTER

COLLEGE AND THE COLLEGES DONOTHING TO GET IN THE WAY. SO

WE HAVE KIDS WHO ARE GREAT ATGETTING A'S BUT NOT GREAT AT

FIGURING OUT WHAT'S GOING TOGIVE THEM A SENSE OF MEANING AND

PURPOSE IN THEIR LIFE, MAKE THEMTHE LEADERS THE COLLEGES ARE

SUPPOSEDLY PREPARING TO DO, THELEADERS WE HAVE TO LIVE WITH.

WE'VE SEEN THIS BASICALLYMASSIVE FAILURE IN THE

LEADERSHIP CLASS IN THE LAST 10,15, 20, 30 YEARS, THAT THESE

SCHOOLS ARE CREATING.

>> Stephen: I'M A LEADER.

YOU'RE A LEADER.

WHAT'S THE FAILURE OF THELEADERSHIP?

>> WE ARE EXCEPTIONS, STEPHEN.

(AUDIENCE REACTS)>> Stephen: SO WE'RE OKAY.

WE'RE OKAY.

BUT IF YOU LOOK AT BANKS,CORPORATIONS, GOVERNMENT,

SCHOOLS, NONPROFITS. THEY'RE NOTDOING THEIR JOBS.

THEY'RE NOT SERVING SOCIETY AS AWHOLE BECAUSE IT'S ALL ABOUT

WHAT YOU CAN DO FOR YOURSELF.

THAT'S THE WHOLE IDEA ABOUTGETTING INTO THE SCHOOLS, HIGH

STATUS, HIGH WEALTH.

WHAT ABOUT SERVING SOCIETY AS AWHOLE.

>> Stephen: HOW SHOULD KIDS --IF IT'S NOT WORKING HARD IN HIGH

SCHOOL AND CONFORMING TO THEEXPECTATIONS OF SOCIETY AND THEN

CRUSHING IT WHEN YOU'RE AT BROWNOR COLUMBIA AND THEN SLIDING

YOURSELF INTO WALL STREET ANDDOING YOUR THING THERE AND

MAKING TONS OF CASH AND GOINGOFF TO, LIKE, YOUR CABIN IN

BELIZE ON THE WEEKEND.

>> AND DO WHAT YOUR PEERS WANTYOU TO DO.

>> Stephen: YOU COMPLAIN A LOTBUT I HEAR NO ANSWERS,

>> IT'S IN THE BOOK.

>> Stephen: I'M NOT GONNA READYOUR BOOK!

(LAUGHTER)WHAT ARE THE ANSWERS?

WHAT ARE THE ANSWERS, BILL?

>> FORGET ABOUT WHAT EVERYBODYELSE WANTS YOU TO DO, START TO

LISTEN TO YOURSELF, START TOREAD, TO THINK, TAKE TIME OFF,

TAKE TIME AWAY FROM THE SYSTEM,STEP OUTSIDE OF THE BUBBLE,

START TO TUNE IN TO WHAT -->> Stephen: DID YOU DO THAT?

REPEATEDLY.

>> Stephen: WHEN DID YOU DOTHAT?

>> I SPENT FOUR YEARS AFTERCOLLEGE BEFORE I FIGURED OUT

WHAT I REALLY WANTED TO DOBECAUSE I DIDN'T DO THE RIGHT

THINGS IN COLLEGE, BECAUSE IDIDN'T SHUT OUT ALL THE MESSAGES

EVERYBODY ELSE WAS GIVING ME.

I MAJORED IN THE WRONG THING.

MAYBE I WENT TO THE WRONGCOLLEGE MYSELF.

IN THE END, IT WAS A LONGERPROCESS THAN IT NEEDED TO BE.

>> Stephen: WHAT WAS YOURMAJOR?

>> I WAS ACTUALLY ABIOPSYCHOLOGY MAJOR.

>> Stephen: WHATIS BIOPSYCHOLOGY?

DO YOU GET TO WRITE YOURSELFYOUR OWN PRESCRIPTIONS?

>> IT'S WHAT THEY NOW CALLCOGNITIVE SCIENCE. IT'S WHAT

I THOUGHT I COULD DO.

MY DAD WAS A SCIENTIST ANDIMMIGRANT.

HE PUSHED ME IN THAT DIRECTION.

I SHOULD HAVE BEEN AN ENGLISHMAJOR.

I DID A Ph.D. IN ENGLISHBECAUSE I FIGURED OUT THAT'S

WHAT I NEEDED TO DO TO MAKE MEHAPPY TO FEEL LIKE I WAS

CONTRIBUTING.

>> Stephen: SO IT DOESN'T MATTERWHAT MAKES DAD HAPPY.

HE'S AN IMMIGRANT!

YOU'RE BREAKING MY HEART!

YOU'RE BREAKING MY HEART!

I AM SO DISAPPOINTED IN YOU,BILLY!

WE DIDN'T COME TO THIS COUNTRYFOR YOU TO SMOKE POT AND PLAY

MADDEN IN YOUR DORM ROOM!

YOU KNOW WHAT?

I THINK I BROKE HIS HEART, TOO,BUT SOMETIMES THAT'S WHAT YOU

HAVE TO DO BECAUSE YOU'RE LIVINGYOUR LIFE AND NOT YOUR PARENTS'

LIVES.

>> Stephen: I CERTAINLY HOPEMY CHILDREN AREN'T WATCHING THIS

RIGHT NOW.

YOU DO EXACTLY WHAT I SAY AT ALLTIMES!

(APPLAUSE)THANK YOU SO MUCH, WILLIAM

DERESIEWICZ.

>> THANK YOU(CHEERS AND APPLAUSE)

WE'LL BE RIGHT BACK!

>> Stephen: ♪♪ WHAT'S COOLER TANBEING COOL? ICE COLD! ♪♪

THAT'S IT FOR "THE REPORT,"EVERYBODY, GOOD NIGHT!

(CHEERS AND APPLAUSE)

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