James Martin

  • Aired:  11/09/11
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Father Jim Martin believes that Jesus had a great sense of humor, but most people in the 21st century just don't get his jokes. (6:04)

>> STEPHEN: WELCOME BACK,

EVERYBODY

MY GUEST TONIGHT HAS A NEW BOOK

ON RELIGION AND HUMOR.

I LOVED THE OPEN MIC ON THE

MOUNT.

PLEASE WELCOME FATHER JIM

MARTIN.

[CHEERS AND APPLAUSE]

HEY, HOW IS IT GOING, JIM?

GOOD TO SEE YOU AGAIN.

>> NICE TO SEE YOU.

>> STEPHEN: DO YOU GET THAT

KIND AFTER APPLAUSE WHEN YOU SAY

MASS?

>> EVERY SUNDAY.

YES, RIGHT UP HERE.

YOU ARE HEARING IT.

>> STEPHEN: EXACTLY.

YOU ARE KNOWN TO OUR REGULAR

VIEWERS AS NOT ONLY A JESUIT

PRIEST IN THE CULTURE EDITOR OF

AMERICA MAGAZINE AND AUTHOR OF

JESUITS GUIDE TO ALMOST

EVERYTHING BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY

YOU ARE THE CHAPLAIN OF COLBERT

NATION.

>> MUCH MORE IMPORTANTLY.

>> STEPHEN: A GREAT

RESPONSIBILITY.

>> HEAVY BURDEN.

>> STEPHEN: I HOPE IT DIDN'T

GET IN THE WAY WHY WHEN YOU WERE

WRITING YOUR NEW BOOK "BETWEEN

HEAVEN AND THE MOTION TO

RECONSIDER, WHY JOY, HUMOR AND

LAUGHTER ARE AT THE SPIRIT OF

HUMAN LIFE."

I'M NOT SURE I BUY THAT.

IT NEVER SAID JESUS LAUGHED IT.

SAYS JESUS WEPT.

SHORTEST SENTENCE IN THE NEW

TESTAMENT.

JESUS WEPT.

WAS HE WEEPING WITH LAUGHTER?

>> HE SHOWS A SENSE OF HUMOR IN

PARABLES AND THE STORIES HE

TELLS.

THE PROBLEM IS WE DON'T GET THE

JOKE BECAUSE WE'RE FAR REMOVED

FROM FIRST CENTURY PALESTINE.

[ LAUGHTER ]

>> STEPHEN: SO GOD IS JUST TOO

HIP FOR THE ROOM?

[ LAUGHTER ]

BUT THE.

>> BUT THE PEOPLE BACK THEN

WOULD HAVE GOTTEN THE JOKES WE

MISS THE IRONY.

THE IDEA THAT THAT ONE OF HIS

STORIES THAT A PERSON WOULD HAVE

A PLANK IN THEIR EYE AND

CRITICIZE SOMEONE WHOS HEY SPECK

OF DUST IN THEIRS WOULD HAVE

BEEN SEEN AS HILARIOUS.

IT FALLS FLAT IN 21ST CENTURY

AMERICA.

AND THERE ARE OTHER OCEANS I

TALK ABOUT IN THE BOOK ABOUT HIS

SENSE OF HUMOR AND PLAYFULNESS.

HE GIVES THE DISCIPLES NICKNAMES

FOR EXAMPLE.

LIKE PETER.

>> STEPHEN: CALLS HIM THE

ROCK.

THE ROCK BETWEEN THE EARS PETE.

>> SOME HAVE TOLD ME IT'S

PLAYFUL PUN ON HIS CHARACTER,

ROCKY BASICALLY.

HE CALLS TWO OF THE DISCIPLES

JAKE AND JOHN SUN SONS OF AND

THUNDERMENT EXACTLY IT'S A

CRITIQUE ABOUT THEM BEING

LOUDMOUTHS OR THEIR MOTHER

EARLIER ON SAID WILL MY SONS BE

AT YOUR RIGHT HAND.

SOME SCHOLARS SAY IT MAY BE A

PLAYFUL WAY OF TALKING ABOUT

THEY ARE MOTHER.

THERE'S HIS SENSE OF HUMOR.

WE MISS IT.

I'M TRYING TO RECOVER IT IN THE

BOOK.

>> STEPHEN: THERE'S ONE POINT

I THOUGHT HE DID LAUGH WHEN THE

APOSTLES ARE OUT IN THE BOAT ON

THE SEA AND THE BIG STORM COMES

UP AND THEY ARE WORRIED AND THEY

SEE JESUS WALKING TOWARD THEM ON

THE WATER.

AND CALMING THE WATERS AROUND

HIM.

AND PETER SAYS TO HIMSELF, HEY,

IF I'VE GOT FAITH, I SHOULD BE

ABLE TO DO THIS, TOO.

HE STEPS OUT, TAKES A COUPLE OF

STEPS.

HE SEES HIS STORMY, LOSES HIS

FAITH AND FALLS IN.

>> JESUS SAYS COME ON OUT, GO

AHEAD.

I CAN SEE HIM SMILING A LITTLE

BIT.

>> STEPHEN: HE TAKES A COUPLE

OF STEPS.

HE FALLS IN.

AFTER A COUPLE SUCCESSFUL STEPS

IN THE WATER HE FALLS IN LIKE

WYLIE COYOTE LOOKING DOWN AND

GOING OP!

YOU KNOW JESUS MUST HAVE CRACKED

A SMILE WHEN HE SAW HIM FALLING.

>> AT LEAST INWARDLY STEENCHTS

THAT JUST PHYSICAL COMEDY.

WHAT IS FUNNIER THE OLD

TESTAMENT OR NEW TESTAMENT.

THE OLD TESTAMENT HAS HARSH

WORDS FOR JOKE TELLERS.

>> ALSO IT HAS FUNNY STORIES.

ABRAHAM AND SARA WHEN THEY HEAR

SARA IS GOING TO HAVE A BABY IT

SAYS ABRAHAM FELL ON HIS FACE

LAUGHING.

SHE LAUGHS.

GOD SAYS WHY DID YOU LAUGH.

SARA SAID I DIDN'T LAUGH.

GOD SAID YES, YOU DO.

THEY HAVE A BABY AND NAMED HIM

ISAAC WHICH IS HEBREW FOR HE

LAUGHED.

>>

THE RELIGIONS DON'T

GIGGLE MUCH TOGETHER THOUGH.

CAN LAUGHTER -- CAN LAUGHTER OR

MIRTH AS YOU SAY CAN THAT BE IN

PRAYER?

>> YES, BECAUSE YOU KNOW IF

WE'RE IN A RELATIONSHIP WITH GOD

IN PRAYER, ANY RELATIONSHIP CAN

USE HUMOR AND LEVITT.

YOU CAN BE JOYFUL IN PRAYER

ABOUT THINGS YOU ARE GRATEFUL

FOR AND SMILE ABOUT THINGS THAT

MAKE YOU LAUGH AT YOURSELF.

I THINK TO SHARE YOUR JOY AND

LAUGHTER WITH GOD IS VERY

APPROPRIATE LIKE IN ANY RELATION

SHIM I TRY TO TALK ABOUT THAT IN

THE BOOK.

WAYS OF DOING THAT.

>> STEPHEN: I'M IN THE A

COMEDIAN.

I DON'T MAKE UP JOKES THAT

OFTEN.

I HAVE ONE JOKE ABOUT GOD.

I'D LIKE TO TRY IT ON YOU.

>> FEEL FREE.

>> STEPHEN: A GUY COMMITS

SUICIDE AND GOES TO HEAVEN,

OKAY?

HE GETS TO HEAVEN.

GOD GROW THES HIM THERE.

THE GUY SAYS I'M SO SURPRISED

I'M HERE.

FIRST OF ALL I THOUGHT THERE WAS

NO GOD.

SECOND OF ALL, I THOUGHT IF YOU

KILLED YOURSELF, YOU KNOW, YOU

WERE DAMNED FOREVER.

GOD SAID YOU KNOW THAT'S A

COMPLICATED ISSUE.

EVERYBODY AT LEAST THINKS ABOUT

ENDING IT, YOU KNOW KILLING

THEMSELVES AT SOME POINT.

GOD SAID EVEN I THOUGHT OF IT.

THE GUY SAID WHY DIDN'T YOU DO

IT?

GOD SAID, WHAT IF THIS IS ALL

THERE IS.

[ LAUGHTER ]

>> PRETTY GOOD.

>> STEPHEN: FATHER, THANK YOU

FOR JOINING ME.

FATHER JIM MARTIN.

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