Tom Ridge

  • Aired:  06/09/11
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Tom Ridge believes natural gas is a matter of economic and national security. (6:21)

>>

(CHEERS AND APPLAUSE)

>> WELCOME BACK, EVERYBODY.

MY GUEST TONIGHT IS FORMER

SECRETARY OF HOMELAND

SECURITY AND CURRENT NATURAL

GAS ADVOCATE.

I'LL ASK HIM IF I WILL BE

ALLOWED TO CARRY MOREñr THAN

THREE OUNCES OF METH ANN ON

AN AIRPLANE.

PLEASE WELCOME TOM RIDGE.

(CHEERS AND APPLAUSE)ÑiÑi

WHOOO, WHOOO.

HEY, MR. SECRETARY.

NOW YOU ARE THE FORM ERR

GOVERNOR OF THE GREAT STATE

OF PENNSYLVANIA, KEYSTONE

STATE, FIRST SECRETARY OF

HOMELAND SECURITY.

AND NOW YOU ARE A LOBBYIST

FOR THE NATURAL GAS

INDUSTRY.

>> THIS IS THE FIRST TIME ON

YOUR SHOW, I HATE TO CORRECT

WITH YOU YOUR FIRST QUESTION,

BUT I'M NOT A LOBBYIST.

CONSIDERING-- SOMETHING THAT

COULD LEAD A REN NANCE IN

AMERICA WITH REGARD TO

ENERGY, NOT ONLY IN TERMS OF

CREATING JOBS BUT MAKING US

MORE SECURE, LESS DEPENDENT

ON FOREIGN SOURCES.

SO MY JOB AND I DO HAVE A

PAID JOB AS A CONSULTANT

WITH THE INDUSTRY, IS TO

MAKE SURE ASPEN PEN THAT WE

TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THAT

RESOURCE AND DEVELOP IT IN A

WAY THAT IS CONSISTENT WITH

WORKPLACE SAFETY, WITHIN

ENVIRONMENTALLY SOUND

PRINCIPLESES AND TO HELP US

BECOME-- CREATE JOBS IN

PENNSYLVANIA AND BECOME LESS

DEPENDENT ON FOREIGN SOURCES

OF FUEL.

>> Stephen: WELL, I ACTUALLY

UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE

SAYING AND I NOW AGREE WITH

EVERYTHING YOU'RE SAYING.

AND I WOULD SAY YOU DID A

VERY GOOD JOB OF LOBBYING ME

JUST NOW.

(LAUGHTER)

>> THANK YOU.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

>> Stephen: YOU SHOULD

REALLY BECOME A LOBBYIST.

YOU MISSED YOUR CALLING.

TELL THE GOOD PEOPLE ABOUT

HOW WE CAN GET THIS JUICY

DELICIOUS NATURAL GAS OUT OF

THE GROUND.

>> WELL, WE'VE BEEN DOING IT

FOR ABOUT ALMOST 50 OR 60

YEARS.

THERE IS A PRACTICE CALLED

HYDRAULIC FRACTURING.

>> Stephen: PEOPLE CALL IT

FRAKING.

>> THERE ARE A LOT OF BUMPER

STICKERS, I UNDERSTAND THAT.

THERE IS WILLING WE HAVE

BEEN DOING SINCE THE LATE

'40s.

WE'VE GOT OVER A MILLION

WELLS THAT USE THIS PROCESS.

KIND OF INTERESTING, UNDER

HIGH PRESSURE THEY PUMP

MOSTLY WATER AND SAND, THERE

ARE SOME CHEMICALS TO IT, IT

GOES DOWN A MILE AND THEN

WHAT IS REALLY UNIQUE ABOUT

THIS KIND OF FRAKING SEASON

IS THEN THEY CAN GO

HORIZONTAL.

>> Stephen: IT BREAKS UP

LIKE SHALE DEPOSITS AND THAT

RELAYSES --

>> IT RELAYSES THE NATURAL

GAS.

>> AND.

>> CORRECT, YOU'RE GOT IT

ONE OF THE THINGS I LIKE

ABOUT THIS IS THAT DURING

THE BUSH ADMINISTRATION,

VICE PRESIDENT CHENEY'S

ENERGY TASK FORCE MADE SURE

THAT THE GAS COMPANIES DID

NOT HAVE TO REVEAL WHAT THE

CHEMICALS WERE THAT WERE

BEING PUMPED INTO THE

GROUND.

NOW IT'S BEEN REPORTED THAT

SOME OF THE THINGS LIKE

KEROSENE, BENZENE, URIA,

TALUINE, HOW MANY OF THOSE

CAN I FEED MYED TO EM

EVER-- TODDLER?

(LAUGHTER)

IT'S PERFECTLY SAFE, RIGHT?

(CHEERS AND APPLAUSE)

>> YOU WOULD AN BECAUSING

YOUR KIDS IF DID YOU SO

LET'S JUST PUT THAT AWAY.

WHEN PEOPLE TALK ABOUT

CHEMICALS THEY'RE REALLY

TALKING ABOUT WATER QUALITY,

IN LEGITIMATELY EVERYBODY IS

WORRIED ABOUT WATER QUALITY.

THERE IS NO QUESTION ABOUT

IT.

BUT THE FACT OF THE MATTER

IS, LISA JACKSON, THE EPA

ADMINISTRATOR ACKNOWLEDGING

THAT WE HAVE BEEN LOSING

THIS PROCESS SINCE THE LATE

40s.

THERE HAVE BEEN OVER A

MILLION WELLS DUG THAT HAVE

BEEN FRAKKED AND THERE IS

NOT A SINGLE CASE WITH THOSE

MILLION WELLS THAT ANY OF

THAT MATERIAL HAS EVER

POLLUTED ANY OF THE WATER.

AND FRANKLY THE INDUSTRY-- .

>> Stephen: LET'S DISPELL A

MYTH.

WE'VE ALL SEEN THE IMAGE OF

FLAMING WATER.

>> CORRECT.

>> Stephen: LET'S SHOW THESE

AND --

>> ALL RIGHT.

>> OH,.

>> Stephen: OKAY, PEOPLE SAY

THIS IS BECAUSE THERE ARE

WELLS NEAR THE HOUSE, THE

METHANE IS GETTING IN THE

WATER SUPPLY AND THEY ARE

WATER BURNS, WHICH I A SAY

IS A PLUS.

YOU CAN WASH YOUR VEG TABLES

AND GRILL THEM AT THE SAME

TIME.

IS THAT-- IS THAT REALLY

HAPPENING TO PEOPLE'S WATER

SUPPLIES, SIR.

>> YES, IT IS HAPPENING TO

SOME WATER SUPPLIES.

AND IT HAS ABSOLUTELY

NOTHING TO DO WITH HYDRAULIC

TRACKING.

>> METHANE GAS IS NATURALLY

OCCURRING, IT IS IN SOME OF

THE WATER WELLS IN

PENNSYLVANIA LONG BEFORE ANY

WELLS WERE LOCATED NEXT TO

THEM IT IS NATURALLY

OCCURRING AND OCCURRINGS ALL

OVER THE COUNTRY.

>> Stephen: IT DOES OCCUR

ALL OVER THE COUNTRY BUT IN

SEPTEMBER OF 2010-- LET'S

DISPEL THIS BECAUSE I THINK

THERE IS A WORK AROUND EVEN

IF IT DOES HAPPEN.

IN SEPTEMBER OF 2010 THE EPA

WARNED RESIDENTS OF A

WYOMING TOWN WHERE FRAING

WAS TAKING PLACE TO USE FANS

WHILE SHOWERING TO AVOID THE

RISK OFÑi EXPLOSION.

THAT PROVES THERE IS A WORK

AROUND.

JUST INFALL A FAN IN YOUR

SHOWER.

>> AND DON'T SMOKE IN YOUR

SHOWER EITHER.

>> Stephen: SO ISN'T THAT

THE EPA SAYING IT IS

HAPPENING.

>> THE EPA IS LEGITIMATELY

IDENTIFYING AN HISTORICAL

FACT.

NATURALLY OCCURRING METHANE

GAS OFTEN ENDS UP IN WATER

WELLS AND DOW HAVE THAT

SITUATION.

BUT THERE'S NOT BEEN A

SINGLE PROVEN INSTANCE WHERE

IT HAS BEEN RELATED TO

HYDRAULIC FRAKING.

>> Stephen: SOLAR POWER?

THEY WILL SUCK SO MUCH

ENERGY THAT EVENTUALLY THE

SUN WILL GO OUT.

(LAUGHTER)

>> Stephen: RIGHT, WE WILL

HAVE A SUN SPILL S THIS A

MATTER OF NATIONAL SECURITY.

YOU USED TO BE HEAD OF

HOMELAND SECURITY IS THIS A

MATTER OF HOMELAND SECURITY

IN ANY WAY TO NEW.

>> IT DEPENDS ON YOUR POINT

OF VIEW, WHETHER YOU WANT TO

SEND A BILLION DOLLARS A DAY

TO FOREIGN COUNTRIES SOME

UNSTABLE, UNFRIENDLY

COUNTRIES OR WHETHER YOU

WANT A BUNCH OF LEADERS AND

COUNTRIES DECIDING THEY'RE

NOT GOING TO INCREASE THE

PRODUCTION OF OIL WHICH

MEANS OUR GAS PRICE GOES

THROUGH THE ROOF IT IS A

MATTER OF ECONOMIC SECURITY,

A MATTER OF NATIONAL

SECURITY.

>> Stephen: THE ONLY THING

THAT WORRIES ME IS SAY YOU

ARE DRILLING A MILE DOWN

THERE.

WHAT IF WE ENRAGE THE MOLE

PEOPLE.

(LAUGHTER)

HAVE YOU MADE ANY PLANS FOR

THAT.

>> THAT IS ONE CONTINGENCY I

WOULD BE A BLACK SWAN EVENT.

WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH THAT

WHEN IT OCCURS.

>> Stephen: PLEASE DO.

THANK YOU SO MUCH.

GOVERNOR TOM RIDGE, WE'LL BE

RIGHT BACK.

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