Chris Matthews

  • Aired:  10/02/13
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"Tip and the Gipper" author Chris Matthews discusses the government shutdown, Ronald Reagan's leadership style and the Geneva Summit. (6:30)

( CHEERS AND APPLAUSE ).

>> Stephen: WELCOME BACK,EVERYBODY.

MY GUEST TONIGHT HAS A NEWBOOK-- "TIP AND THE GIPPER: WHEN

POLITICS WORKED."

IT'S THE PERFECT THING FOR TEDCRUZ TO READ DURING HIS NEXT

FILIBUSTER.

PLEASE WELCOME CHRIS MATTHEWS!

( CHEERS AND APPLAUSE )>> Stephen: NICE TO SEE YOU.

NICE TO HAVE A CHAMPION TALK ORTHE SHOW.

YOU ARE OBVIOUSLY THE HOST OF"HARDBALL."

EVERYBODY KNOWS THAT.

YOU'VE GOT A NEW BOOK CALLED"TIP AND THE GIPPER: WHEN

POLITICS WORKED."

OKAY.

FIRST BONE TO PICK WITH YOU--WHY-- WHY SHOULD POLITICS WORK?

( LAUGHTER )AREN'T WE PROVING NOW IF WE MAKE

IT NOT WORK WE CAN SHUT THEGOVERNMENT DOWN.

>> BECAUSE WE STARTED THIS INTHE 18th CENTURY THAT YOU

COULD ACTUALLY GOVERN YOURSELFAND PEOPLE DISAGREED FROM

DIFFERENT PART OF THE COUNTRY,RIGHT, LEFT, FEDERALISTS, AND

COME TO AN AGREEMENT TO MAKE THEGOVERNMENT WORK.

THAT WAS OUR BELIEF FROM THEBEGINNING.

>> Stephen: GOT US INTROUBLE.

GOT US IN TROUBLE.

WE'VE HAD A CIVIL WAR.

WE'VE HAD A BUDGET DEFICIT.

I MEAN, THAT'S WHAT HAPPENS WHENTHE GOVERNMENT WORKS, THE

GOVERNMENT GETS BIGGER.

>> NO, NO.

>> Stephen: DO YOU BELIEVE--YOU'RE CALLING IT THE SLIM-DOWN,

TOO, AREN'T YOU?

>> NO.

THE-- WHEN IT GETS TOGETHER ANDPEOPLE ACTUALLY AGREE THEN THIST

MOVES ON AND WE PROGRESS INTOTHE NEXT CENTURY, AND WE MOVE

INTO THE NEXT PERIOD OF OURHISTORY.

WE DON'T JUST KEEP FIGHTING OVERTHE SAME OLD THINGS.

>> Stephen: YOU'RE IMPLYINGTHERE HAS TO BE SOME COMPROMISE

IN POLITICS.

>> YES, LIKE IN LIFE.

>> Stephen: NO, SIR-->> THAT'S WHY WE HAVE A CONGRESS

BECAUSE WE HAVE A VOTE AND IT ITHAS TO BE 218 IN THE HOUSE AND

60 IN THE SENATE AND THEN WE GOWITH THAT VOTE.

THAT'S HOW IT WORKS.

IS THIS TOO COMPLICATED?

>> Stephen: YES, I BELIEVE ONSTANDING ON YOUR PRINCIPLES.

>> WHICH MEANS DON'T COMPROGRAM.

>> Stephen: REAGAN NEVER DID.

>> HE DID SO!

NOOSE THAT'S WHAT THE BOOK ISABOUT.

>> Stephen: HE DID NOT.

I DON'T CARE WHAT THE BOOK ISABOUT.

I DON'T CARE WHAT KIND OF "HARRYPOTTER" FANTASY YOU'VE WRITTEN

HERE.

RONALD REAGAN STOOD ON HISPRINCIPLES AND PUNCHED GOMP GOCH

AND KNOCKED DOWN THE WALL.

>> THEY DIDN'T HAVE AN ARMSAGREEMENT --

>> Stephen: THE SOAVES GOTRID OF THEIR ARMS.

TAKE AWAY YOUR ARMS.

>> THEY GOT RID OF ALL THE ARMSIN EUROPE AS THE FIRST STEP AND

THEN BEGAN WORKING ON THEINTERCONTINENTAL WEAPONS.

THEY ENDED THE THREAT OF A THIRDWORLD WAR.

>> Stephen: THEY KNEW REAGANWAS WILLING TO PUSH THE BUTTON

ON THE EVIL EMPIRE?

>> THEY DID.

>> Stephen: THEY DID?

>> REAGAN HATED THE IDEA OFNUCLEAR WAR.

THE ONLY REASON WE DIDN'T GO TOWAR IS ONE SIDE WOULD TOTALLY

ANNIHILATE THE OTHER SIDE.

HE SAID THE RUSSIANS ARE GOODPEOPLE LIKE US.

IT'S NOT THEIR FAULT THEY HAVE ALOUSY LEADERSHIP.

HE UNDERSTOOD THE SITUATION.

>> GLU CAN HAVE YOUR AND KNOWI'LL HAVE MY OPINION AND I GUESS

WE'LL NEVER KNOW.

>> SEE, I KEPT A BOOK -->> Stephen: IS THAT RECIPES?

WHAT IS THAT?

>> NO, NO, NO.

UNLIKE BILL O'REILLY WHO GETS ITFROM UP THERE, I KEPT NOTES.

>> Stephen: REALLY.

YOU'RE NOT ININSPIRED BY GOD TOWRITE A BOOK.

BY THE WAY, WHY DIDN'T YOU CALLIT "KILLING TIP AND THE GIPPER."

>> WHEN ARE WE GOING TO HAVE THEBOOK WE'VE BEEN WAITING FOR

"KILLING O'REILLY?">> Stephen: I'M NOT SAYING IT

WOULDN'T ABE BIG SERL, BUT ITMIGHT BE A LITTLE CRY FOR HELP.

YOU WROTE THINGS DOWN.

>> I KEPT A DIARY THE WHOLEYEAR-- ALL THE TIMES WITH STIP

TIPAND REAGAN.

>> Stephen: DID YOU THINKYOU'D BE RESPOND AT SOME POINT.

>> NOT THEN.

TODAY PEOPLE WORRY ABOUT IT.

I KNEW I HAD TO KEEP MY RECORD.

>> Stephen: YOU SAID THEY GOTALONG IN SOME WAY.

>> WHEN I FIRST MET REAGAN ISAID WELCOME TO THE ROOM WHERE

WE PLOT AGAINST YOU, UP AT THECAPITOL, TO BREAK THE ILIKE YOU

DO-- AND HE SAID NOT AFTER SIX.

>> THE SPEAKER SAID FRIENDSAFTER 6:00.

>> Stephen: WHAT ABOUT THETHINGS TIP SAYS-- HE SAYS REAGAN

HAS NO CONCERN, NO REGARD, NOCARE FOR THE LITTLE MAN.

HE'S A REAL EBENEZER SCROOGEWHOSE WHOSE PROGRAMS ARE FOR THE

SELFISH, GREEDY, AND THEAFFLUENT.

HE SAID THE REAL PROBLEM IS INTHE WHITE HOUSE --

HOUSE-->> I THINK I MAY HAVE WRITTEN

THAT ONE.

WHAT REAGAN ALSO SAID IS AT THEST. PATRICK'S DAY PARTY.

HE WROTE IN THE DIREEE IT'S ONTHE RECORD-- HE WOULD WRITE TIP

IS A REAL POL.

HE CAN REALLY LIKE AND YOU BEYOUR FRIEND AND THEN TRY TO

KNOCK YOUR BLOCK OFF.

RON REAGAN, HIS SON, TOLD MEWHEN HE CAME HOME AT NIGHT HE

SAID HOW FOUND HE WAS OF TIP.

>> Stephen: IF REAGAN WAS INTHE WHITE HOUSE NOW DO YOU THINK

WE WOULD BE AT THE IMPASSE?

>> NO, BECAUSE HE HAD A STRENGTHOTHERS DIDN'T HAVE.

HE CAN SCARE THE HELL OUT OF -->> Stephen: ARE YOU SAYING

OBAMA DOESN'T CARE PEOPLE?

WE HAVEN'T DONE ENOUGH TO MAKEPEOPLE AFRAID OF OBAMA?

>> IT'S BETTER TO BE FEARED THANLOAFED.

THAT'S THE PROBLEM.

THESE GUYS FROM RIGHT WINGDISTRICTS ARE NOT AFRAID OF

THEM.

AND THAT'S WHY I THINK THEGOVERNMENT SHUTDOWN IS GOING TO

GO ON FOR WEEKS.

>> Stephen: YOU THINK REAGANWAS A BETTER PRESIDENT THAN

OBAMA IS?

>> IN THE END, YEAH.

IN THE END.

>> Stephen: DO YOU THINKREAGAN--

>> BECAUSE HE ENDED THE COLDWAR.

THAT'S HARD TO MEET BEET.

HARD TO BEAT THAT BABY.

>> Stephen: HOW DO YOU THINKTHIS IS GOING TO END, THE

SHOWDOWN.

THE SLIM-DOWN?

>> I'M WORRIED ABOUT THE DEFAULTCOME THE 24th.

WHAT HAPPENS ON THE 24th OFTHIS MONTH?

INSTEAD OF SENDING OUT THEINTEREST TO THE CHINESE

BILLIONAIRES WE'VE BEENBORROWING MONEY FROM, ALL OF A

SUDDEN FOR THE THE FIRST TIME INOUR HISTORY WE DON'T PAY OUR

INTEREST.

THINK OF AN AIRLINE.

WOULD YOU GET ON AN AIRLINE THATSAID 95% SAFETY RECORD?

OR WOULD YOU LOOK FAIR ANAIRLINE THAT HAD 100% SAFETY

RECORD.

FOR YEARS, THE WORLD HAS LOOKEDAT THE NIEWTS YOOUTS AND SAID

THEY HAVE 100% SAFETY.

WE WILL NOT BE THE STORE OFVALUE.

WE WILL NOT BE ANYTHING.

WE WILL BE THE COUNTRY THATBECAME A DEAD-BEAT COUNTRY IN

OCTOBER OF 2013.

AND THAT SCARES THE HELL OUT OFME.

AND THAT COULD HAPPEN BY THE ENDOF THIS MONTH BECAUSE THESE

RIGHT WING JACKALS.

AM I CLEAR?

( LAUGHTER )( CHEERS AND APPLAUSE )

>> Stephen: CHRIS, THANK YOUSO MUCH FOR JOINING ME.

CHRIS MATTHEWS, AND CHRIS MATHUSE.

"TIP AND THE GIPPER: WHENPOLITICS WORKED."

WE'LL BE RIGHT BACK.

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