Jim McGreevey

  • Aired:  04/02/13
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The former governor of New Jersey discusses political sex scandals, a program for incarcerated addicts, and his HBO documentary, "Fall to Grace." (4:54)

[CHEERS AND APPLAUSE]

>> Stephen: WELCOME BACK SHALL EVERYBODY.

MY GUEST TONIGHT IS THE FORMER GOVERNOR OF NEW JERSEY WHO NOW -- AND A CURRENT GUEST ON MY

SHOW PLEASE WELCOME, JIM McGREEVEY.

>> PLEASURE.

>> Stephen: NICE TO SEE YOU.

I DO STILL CALL YOU GOVERNOR.

>> JIM IS GOOD.

>> Stephen: GOV JIM THANKS FOR COMING ON, YOU KNOW? I DIDN'T KNOW WHETHER I WOULD EVER HAVE

YOU ON MY SHOW BECAUSE YOU HAD A SPECTACULAR FALL, OKAY?

>> YES.

>> Stephen: YOU WERE THE GOVERNOR OF NEW JERSEY 2004.

YOU CAME OUT AND SAID I AM A GAY AMERICAN ON LIVE TV, SHOCKED A TON OF PEOPLE.

NOW YOU ARE THE SUBJECT OF A NEW DOCUMENTARY CALLED "FALL TO GRACE." ON HEEBO.

WE'LL GET TO THE NAME IN A MOMENT.

HBO, ARE THERE DRAGONS IN THIS?

>> LIMITED.

>> Stephen: ANY DRAGONS WILL DO.

WHY "FALL TO GRACE." IT'S FALL FROM GRACE.

YOU HAD A FALL FROM GRACE.

YOU WERE A POWERFUL MAN IN A NORMATIVE RELATIONSHIP, SORRY AND SUDDENLY YOU WEREN'T AND YOU AREN'T.

>> I THINK THE BASIS OF THE TITLE IS THAT I WAS IN A PLACE OF EGOS, A PLACE OF SELF.

>> Stephen: OF COURSE, YOU WERE IN POLITICS.

>> EXACTLY.

[ LAUGHTER ]

AND NOW I'M IN A PLACE WHERE HOPEFULLY I'M BEING OF SERVICE TO THE WOMEN WITH WHOM I WORK.

>> Stephen: THAT'S THE THING.

YOU ARE WORKING WITH FEMALE PRISONERS IN JAILS -- PRISONS IN YOUR HOME STATE OF NEW JERSEY.

>> YES.

>> Stephen: WHAT ARE YOU DOING FOR THESE PEOPLE?

>> STEPHEN ABOUT 70% OF PEOPLE IN JAIL OR IN PRISON ARE ADDICTS.

WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS TO PROVIDE TREATMENT SO THAT THEY BEGIN TREATMENT WHILE THEY ARE

BEHIND BARS AND THEY CONTINUE THAT TREATMENT WHEN THEY GET OUT.

>> Stephen: WHAT DO YOU KNOW ABOUT PRISON?

DID YOU GO TO JAIL?

>> NO, NO.

I USED TO BE A PROSECUTOR.

>> Stephen: TO YOU PUT A LOT OF PEOPLE IN JAIL.

>> THAT WAS THE GOAL.

>> Stephen: DO THESE WOMEN THAT YOU ARE THE GUY WHO DIDN'T PARDON THEM?

>> THEY PROBABLY DO.

THEY ALSO KNOW I'M THE GUY WHEN RESIGNED.

BUT THE IDEA IS THAT WE CAN RECLAIM ALL OF THESE WOMENS' LIVES.

I WORK WITH THEM SPIRITUALLY AND TRY TO DEVELOP A SET OF VALUES IN THEIR LIVES.

>> Stephen: IS THIS A CHRISTIAN THING?

>> IT'S A SPIRITUAL THING.

>> Stephen: WHAT DO YOU HAVE AGAINST CHRISTIANS?

>> HAIP TO BE ONE BUT IT'S ALL ABOUT -- JUDAISM, ISLAM, IT'S CHRISTIANITY, HINDUISM IT'S ALL

UNDERSTANDING THAT WE ARE TO FOLLOW OUR GODLY NATURE.

>> Stephen: BUT JESUS SAID VISIT THE PEOPLE IN THE JAICIALG RIGHT?

>> HE DID.

>> Stephen: YOU SAID VISIT THE PEOPLE IN THE JAIL YOU ARE VISITING ME.

DID YOU EVER SEE THE WOMEN AND THEY SAY YOU ARE MY JESUS?

>> IN MANY CASES I BELIEVE THEY ARE AS GOOD AS WHAT JESUS MEANT FOR US TO BE.

>> Stephen: WHAT?

YOU ARE SAYING JESUS SAY CRIMINAL?

JESUS IS AN ADDICT?

YOUR WORDS, SIR.

>> HE CLEARLY WAS A CRIMINAL TO THE ROMAN AUTHORITIES.

>> Stephen: SURE, SURE THAT WAS ROME THOUGH.

ARE YOU SAYING AMERICANS ARE ROMANS?

>> NO, I'M SAYING WE HAVE THE WRONG ATTITUDE TOWARDS INCARCERATED PEOPLE.

I WOULD SUGGEST IF 70% OF THE PEOPLE BEHIND BARS ARE ADDICTS WE WOULD DO FAR BETTER OFF FOR

TREATING THEM FOR ADDICTION WHEN WHICH IS THE CAUSE OF CRIMINAL BEHAVIOR AS OPPOSED TO ALLOWING

THEM TO LANGUISH BEHIND BARS STREENCH THREE STRIKE YOUR OUT.

DON'T LISTEN TO THIS.

[CHEERS AND APPLAUSE]

, MANY OF THESE PEOPLE ARE ADDICTS IN THE AUDIENCE.

YOU WERE TOUGH ON CRIME.

>> THAT WAS ME.

AND NOW, HOPEFULLY I'M EDUCATED BY VIRTUE OF HAVING WORKED WITH THESE WOMEN AND REALIZE THAT

THEY STARTED FROM A VERY DIFFERENT PLACE THAN I DID.

>> Stephen: DID YOU THINK ABOUT GUYS LIKE DAVID VITTER.

>> YES.

>> Stephen: OR BILL CLINTON.

>> YES.

>> Stephen: WHO HAD HETEROSEXUAL SCANDALS AND MAINTAINED THEIR POLITICAL CAREER AND YET YOU HAD A

HOMOSEXUAL AND COULDN'T MAINTAIN YOUR CAREER.

IS THE NEW GAY RIGHTS STRUGGLE THE RIGHT TO HAVE A GAY SCANDAL AND REMAIN IN POLITICS?

>> I THINK THAT'S PROBABLY ON THE EDGE OF THE CIVIL RIGHTS -- I DON'T THINK IT'S A PRY MAURY

CONCERN RIGHT NOW.

>> Stephen: JIM, WE'RE GOING TO GET THERE.

THANK YOU SO MUCH JIM McGREEVEY, "FALL TO GRACE" IS CURRENTLY AIRING ON HBO.

CHEC

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