Corporate Hacker Tries to Take Down WikiLeaks - Glenn Greenwald

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Glenn Greenwald praises WikiLeaks for shining a light on what government and corporations do in secret. (3:54)

CAN'T DO ANYTHING RIGHT.

WELL, JOINING ME NOW TO BE

INTIMIDATED BY PERSONAL

INFORMATION I MADE UP ABOUT

HIM IS SALON WRITER

WIKILEAKS SUPPORTER AND HB

GARY BLACKMAIL TARGET GLENN

GREENWALD.

GLENN, THANKS SO MUCH FOR

COMING ON.

(CHEERS AND APPLAUSE)

>> Stephen: ALL RIGHT.

DID YOU WANT SOME TOOTHPASTE.

>> NO, I'M FINE, THANK YOU.

>> Stephen: OKAY, VERY

REFRESHING.

NOW GLENN, DID I GET THAT

RIGHT.

DID I EXPLAIN THE STORY

PROPERLY.

>> YOU DID, YOU EXPLAINED IT

WELL.

>> Stephen: NOW YOU ARE UP

SET ABOUT THIS, WHAT'S THE

BIG DEAL?

OKAY, IT IS A DANGEROUS

WORLD OUT THERE.Ñi

WE'RE AT CYBERWAR.

IF WE LOSE A COUPLE OF

JOURNALISTS WHOSE CAREERS

ARE CRUSHED BY LIES, ISN'T

THAT A SMALL PRICE TO PAY TO

KEEP BANK OF AMERICA ALIVE?

>> WELL, I THINK A LOT OF

THIS IS PRETTY

SELF-EVIDENTLY PERNICIOUS, I

MEAN THREATENING JOURNALIST-- .

>> Stephen: I DON'T KNOW

WHAT PREANICIOUS MEANS.

>> IT IS PRETTY BAD IS WHAT

IT MEANS.

I MEAN THREATENING THE

CAREERS OF JOURNALISTS TO

DETER THEM FROM ADVOCATING

AND REPORTING.

>> Stephen: ARE YOU A

JOURNALIST IF YOU ARE

SUPPORTING WIKILEAKS BECAUSE

WIKILEAKS IS NOT JOURNALIST,

THEREFORE YOU MUST BE TAKING

YOURSELF OUT OF THE

JOURNALISM GAME BY EQUATING

YOURSELF WITH THEM,

CHECKMATE.

>> I THINK THEY'RE SHINING

LIGHT ON WHAT GOVERNMENT AND

CORPORATIONS DO IN SECRET

THAT ARE JUST DESTRUCTIVE

AND CORRUPT S ACTUALLY

PRETTY MUCH WHAT JOURNALISTS

IS SUPPOSED TO BE OUT.

>> Stephen: JOURNALISM IS

TAKING NOINGTS AT THE PRESS

CONFERENCE.

>> ABSOLUTELY.

SO A LOT OF THIS IS NOT JUST

PERNICIOUS, THE WORD FOR THE

DAY BUT ALSO ILLEGAL.

A LOT OF WHAT YOU DESCRIBED

IS-- .

>> Stephen: HOW IS IT

ILLEGAL.

NO ONE IS BEING PROSECUTED.

>> NO.

>> Stephen: NO ONE IS BEING

PROSECUTED.

>> THAT'S TRUE.

>> Stephen: SO IT IS NOT

REALLY ILLEGAL.

>> THAT'S NOT THE STANDARD.

>> Stephen: NO CHARGE NO

FOUL I BELIEVE IS THE

SAYING.

>> I THINK WHAT IS MOST

SIGNIFICANT HERE IS YOU HAVE

THESE PLANS THAT ARE CLEARLY

CROSSING ILLEGAL LINE, VERY

SERIOUS PLAYERS INVOLVED,

LAW FIRMS LIKE HUTTON AND

WILLIAMS MONK THE MOST

POWERFUL IN D.C. AND NO ONE

AT ANY POINT SAID YOU KNOW

WHAT, MAYBE THIS GOES A

LITTLE TOO FAR.

PAIN WE SHOULDN'T BE DOING

ANY OF THIS.

THEY WERE ALL ON BOARD WITH

IT.

AND EVEN WILLING SO CAVALIERLY

TO PUT A PLAN LIKE THIS THAT

CLEARLY POSES ILLEGAL STEPS

DOWN ON TO PAPER.

I THINK WHAT THAT CLEARLY

SHOWS IS THIS SORT OF STUFF

IN THIS WORLD OF CORPORATE

AND GOVERNMENT CON

SORECIOUS-- CONSORTIUM OF

POWER IS PRETTY NORMAL.

PAR FOR THE COURSE.

>> Stephen: BUT DOESN'T THE

GOVERNMENT HAVE TO WALK ON

THE DARK SIDE AS DICK CHENEY

SAID F OUR CYBERENEMIES ARE

WALKING ON THE DARK SIDE?

I MEAN YOU YOURSELF DIDN'T

YOU BREAK THE LAW FIRST BY

CONSPIRING WITH WIKILEAKS TO

MAKE A BANK UNCOMFORTABLE?

>> I'M PRETTY SURE THAT

MAKING BANKS UNCOMFORTABLE,

AT LEAST YET S NOT ILLEGAL.

AND SUPPORTING WIKILEAKS IS

NOT ILLEGAL AS WELL.

WHAT IS ILLEGAL ARE THE

KINDS OF THINGS THAT ARE

INVOLVED IN THIS PROPOSAL.

IRONICALLY THIS ILLUSTRATES

WHY WIKILEAKS IS SO NEEDED.

THIS IS A WORLD, THIS

GOVERNMENT CORPORATE WORLD

THAT OPERATES COMPLETELY

OPAQUELY WITHOUT ANY

RESTRAINTS OR

ACCOUNTABILITY.

WIKILEAKS SOMEONE OF THE

VERY FEW ENTITIES THAT IS

SHINING A LIGHT ON WHAT'S

ACTUALLY TAKING PLACE AND

WHAT "THE WASHINGTON POST"

CALLS TOP SECRET AMERICA.

>> Stephen: THEY'RE IN BED

WITH PEOPLE LIKE ANONYMOUS,

OKAY.

BY THE WAY, ARE YOU

ANONYMOUS?

>> WE'RE ALL ANONYMOUS IS

THEIR SAYING.

BUT AARON-- .

>> Stephen: HOW AFRAID

SHOULD WE BE OF THESE

ANONYMOUS PEOPLE, HOW

POWERFUL ARE THEY?

>> I THINK THEY ARE A LOT

LESS POWERFUL THAN THE

JUSTICE DEPARTMENT, HUTTON

AND WILLIAMS AND THE

INTERNET SECURITY FIRMS THAT

ARE PLOTTING TO DESTROY THE

CAREERS OF PEOPLE WHO

ADVOCATE THINGS THAT THEY

DISLIKE AND THE WORLD WHICH

THEY ARE APART IS LESS

POWERFUL THAN ANONYMOUS.

WHAT ANONYMOUS DID IS WHAT

JOURNALISTS SHOULD BE DO IS

WHICH IS EXPOSING SERIOUS

CORRUPTION AND ILLEGALITY

AMONG THE NATION'S MOST

POWERFUL FACTIONS.

>> Stephen: DO YOU BANK WITH

BANK OF AMERICA.

>> I DO NOT.

>> Stephen: WHO DOW BANK

WITH.

>> I BANK WITH SEVERAL

INSTITUTIONS, I WOULD NEVER

BE INVOLVED IN SCHEMES LIKE

THIS.

>> Stephen: DOW WANT TO

REVEAL WHO THEY ARE AND

MAYBE--

(LAUGHTER)

>> Stephen: LET ME GIVE

THOSE NUMBERSES TO HB GARY?

>> I THINK THEY PROBABLY

ALREADY HAVE THEM.

>> Stephen: GLENN GREENWALD,

THANK YOU FOR