Garry Wills

  • Aired:  10/26/10
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Garry Wills calls himself a disciple of Doris Kearns Goodwin and says the Tea Party movement is a racist endeavor. (5:32)

MY GUEST TONIGHT IS A PULITZER

PRIZE-WINNING HISTORIAN WHOSE

NEW BOOK IS AUTOBIOGRAPHICAL.

IT BETTER BE AUTHORIZED.

PLEASE WELCOME GARY WILLS.

( CHEERS AND APPLAUSE )

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

NICE TO SEE YOU.

MR. WILLS, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR

COMING BACK ON.

NICE TO SEE YOU AGAIN.

NOW, WE HAD YOU ON ONCE BEFORE

TO TALK ABOUT HOW AMERICAN

POLITICS AND THE AMERICAN WAY OF

LIFE ARE AFFECTED.

YOU HAVE A NEW BOOK CALLED

OUTSIDE LOOKING IN: ADVENTURES

OF AN OBSERVER.

FIRST OF ALL, CONGRATULATIONS ON

WRITING A BOOK ABOUT YOURSELF.

( LAUGHTER )

>> NO, IT'S ABOUT MUCH MORE

INTERESTING PEOPLE, BEVERLY

SILLS, BILL BUCKLEY, A WHOLE

RANGE OF PEOPLE.

>> Stephen: BUT IT'S YOUR

MEMOIR OF THESE PEOPLE, CORRECT?

>> WELL, IT'S WHAT I OBSERVED OF

THEM, YEAH.

>> Stephen: WHY "OUTSIDE

LOOKING IN"?

WHY NOT "INSIDE MESSING STUFF

UP"?

THAT'S WHAT THE REAL ACTORS IN

HISTORY DO.

YOU'RE AN HISTORIAN.

DON'T YOW WANT TO BE AN AGENT OF

HISTORY?

>> NEW YORK I DON'T.

>> Stephen: WHY NOT?

YOU AFRAID SOMEONE WILL WRITE A

BOOK ABOUT YOU?

>> JIM FALLOWS ONCE ASKED ME WHY

I DIDN'T JOIN THE JIMMY CARTER

CAMPAIGN AS HE DID, AND I SAID,

I'M AN END METEOROLOGIST, WHICH

DOESN'T MEAN I HAVE TO BECOME A

BUG.

>> Stephen: I LIKE THAT.

I LIKE THAT A LOT.

( APPLAUSE )

YOU ARE ALSO AN HISTORIAN.

YOU'VE WRITTEN ABOUT LINCOLN.

DORIS KEARNS GOODWIN WILL BE ON

THE SHOW NEXT WEEK.

SHE'S ALSO AN HISTORIAN AND AN

EXPERT ON LINCOLN.

IF YOU WERE IN A FIGHT, WHO

WOULD WIN?

IF YOUR LINCOLN FOUGHT HERLIN

CON, WHO WOULD WIN?

>> SHE WOULD WIN BECAUSE I'M HER

DISCIPLE.

>> Stephen: REALLY?

YOU'RE A DISCIPLE OF HER?

YOU'RE ALSO A DISCIPLE OF

WILLIAM F. BUCKLEY, RIGHT?

>> YES.

>> Stephen: WHAT DO YOU THINK

BUCKLEY WOULD MAKE OF THE TEA

PARTY?

>> HE HAD A WORD HE LIKED TO USE

FOR PEOPLE LIKE THAT,

"VULGARIANS."

>>

>> Stephen: NOW IS THAT... HE

HAD A GREAT VOCABULARY.

IS THAT NECESSARILY A PEJORATIVE

OR...

>> YOU'LL THINK SO IF YOU'RE

CALLED THAT.

>> Stephen: WHAT WOULD BE THE

VULGARIAN ASPECT OF THE TEA

PARTY.

THEY WANT LOWER TAXES AND

SMALLER GOVERNMENT.

>> THAT'S WHAT THEY SAY.

BUT THEY DIDN'T SAY THAT WHEN

GEORGE BUSH WAS IN.

THE SAME GRIEVANCES WERE THERE.

>> Stephen: THINGS CHANGED

AFTER WE LEFT OFFICE.

>> THEY CERTAINLY DID.

WE HAVE A BLACK PRESIDENT.

THAT MADE ALL THE DIFFERENCE.

>> Stephen: THAT'S SAYING THE

TEA PARTY IS A RACIST ENDEAVOR.

>> OF COURSE.

( CHEERS AND APPLAUSE )

>> Stephen: NOT OF COURSE.

I MEAN, THERE ARE SEVERAL PEOPLE

WHO ARE BLACK WHO HAVE BEEN TO

TEA

TEA PARTIES.

>> YES, AND THEY WORE THE MAD

HAT.

>> Stephen: DO YOU THINK THAT

AS SOMEONE WHO HAS BEEN OUTSIDE

LOOKING IN ON OUR HISTORY, ARE

WE AS DIVIDED NOW AS WE HAVE

EVER BEEN IN OUR AMERICAN

HISTORY?

>> NO, OF COURSE NOT.

THE CIVIL WAR HAD A SEPARATE

COUNTRY INSIDE OUR COUNTRY.

THAT WAS MORE DIVIDED.

>> Stephen: I'LL GRANT YOU

THAT.

I'LL GRANT YOU THAT.

WE'RE NOT SHOOTING EACH OTHER

YET.

WE'RE NOT SHOOTING EACH OTHER

YET.

IF WE WERE TO HAVE ANOTHER CIVIL

WAR RIGHT NOW, WHAT WOULD BE OUR

SLAVERY?

WHAT WOULD BE THE ISSUE THAT

WOULD DIVIDE US AS A COUNTRY?

>> MUSLIMS.

>> Stephen: REALLY?

>> SURE.

>> Stephen: SO WHO IS GOING TO

FIGHT FOR THE MUSLIMS IN THE

UNITED STATES?

SOME PEOPLE MAY THINK THAT THEY

SHOULD HAVE RIGHTS, BUT NOBODY'S

SAYING, THAT'S MY BUDDY.

>> PEOPLE WHO BELIEVE IN THE

CONSTITUTION WILL FIGHT FOR

MUSLIMS BECAUSE THEY HAVE THE

SAME RIGHTS AS YOU AND I.

>> Stephen: BUT YOU KNOW THEY

ATTACKED US ON 9/11.

>> NO, THEY DIDN'T.

>> Stephen: EXCUSE ME.

DON'T APPLAUD BEFORE I NAIL HIM.

APPLAUD AFTER I NAIL HIM.

THEY ATTACKED US ON 9/11.

>> NO, THEY DIDN'T.

>> Stephen: YES, THEY DID.

THEY WERE ALL SWLOIMS ATTACKED

US ON 9/11.

CHECK AND MATE.

LOOK AT ALL THE MUSLIMS WHO

DIDN'T ATTACK US ON NEFERL.

>> THEY WERE IN MEETINGS.

>> THEY ARE THE ONES WHO ARE

MORE NUMEROUS THAN THE ONES WHO

DID.

>> Stephen: YOU'RE A NOTED

INTELLECTUAL.

AMERICA IS NOT A BIG FAN

GENERALLY.

THE AMERICAN PEOPLE ARE NOT HUGE

FANS OF THE "SMARTY PANTS."

DO YOU EVER FEEL LIKE YOU'RE ON

THE OUTSIDE LOOKING IN ON

AMERICA ITSELF?

>> NO.

( LAUGHTER ) I'M A MIDWESTERN

RUBE.

SO I FIT IN VERY WELL.

>> Stephen: REALLY?

A RUBE?

COULD I SELL DO YOU BROOKLYN

BRIDGE WHEN YOU'RE IN TOWN?

>> YOU HIGH.

>> Stephen: YOU WROTE ABOUT

NIXON.

COULD OBAMA, COULD BARACK OBAMA

LEARN ANYTHING FROM RICHARD

NIXON?

>> I HOPE HE WILL LEARN NOT TO

BE NUTTY.

( LAUGHTER )

>> Stephen: BUT NIXON WAS AN

INTELLECTUAL AND OBAMA IS AN

INTELLECTUAL, AND PEOPLE DON'T

LIKE OBAMA BECAUSE HE SEEMS LIKE

TOO MUCH OF A SMARTY PANTS AND

NIXON WAS ABLE TO HIDE IT.

>> HE CERTAINLY DID.

( APPLAUSE )

>> Stephen: WELL, THE BOOK IS

"ON THE OUTSIDE LOOKING IN."

THANK YOU FOR COMING IN AND

LETTING US LOOK AT YOU.

GARY WILLS,

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