Gene Robinson

  • Aired:  04/25/13
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Bishop Gene Robinson discusses how the church got it wrong about gay, lesbian, bisexual and transgender people. (6:20)

>> Stephen: WELCOME BACK,

EVERYBODY.

MY GUEST SOANT IS THE FIRST

OPENLY GAY.

>> PESK PAL BISHOP WHICH I

BELIEVE MEANS HE CAN ONLY MOVE

DIAGONALLY.

PLEASE WELCOME BISHOP GENE ROBIN ROB

ROBINSON.

>> YOUR EXCELLENCY, THANKS SO

MUCH FOR COMING ON.

ALL RIGHT, FOR THE PEOPLE WHO

DON'T KNOW OUT THERE, YOU WERE

ELECTED BISHOP OF THE.

ISCOPALEP

DIOCESE OF NEW HAMPSHIRE, AND

THIS CAUSED A BIT OF A STIR

BECAUSE YOU WERE THE FIRST

OPENLY GAY MAN IN THE EPISCOPAL

CHURCH.

YOU HAVE A BOOK CALLED, "GOD

BELIEVES IN LOVE: STRAIGHT TALK

ABOUT GAY MARRIAGE."

I HAVE BEEN WANTING TO HAVE YOU

ON FOR YEARS, AS YOU KNOW,

BECAUSE I AM A ROMAN CATHOLIC.

AND YOUR CHURCH, THE ANGLICAN,

YOU KNOW, CAME FROM A REJECTION

OF CENTRAL AUTHORITY.

AND WHEN YOU BECAME A BISHOP,

SOME OF THE EPISCOPALIANS

SNAPPED OFF AND TRIED TO BECOME

ANGLICAN AGAIN SO THEY'D HAVE A

CENTRAL AUTHORITY TO TELL YOU,

YOU WERE WRONG.

( LAUGHTER ).

THAT'S DELICIOUS.

( LAUGHTER )

( APPLAUSE )

WHAT DID YOU THINK-- WHAT DID

YOU THINK WHEN THAT HAPPENED?

>> YOU KNOW, THE CHURCH AT ITS

BEST --

>> Stephen: YOU MEAN THE

CATHOLIC CHURCH.

>> I'M TALKING ABOUT THE CHURCH,

CAPITAL C.

>> Stephen: YOU ARE A CHURCH,

BUT GO AHEAD.

>> WANTS TO WELCOME ALL OF GOD'S

CHILDREN.

AND WE HAD THIS DISAGREEMENT

ABOUT SOME OF GOD'S CHILDREN WHO

WERE NOT WELCOME, AND THE

EPISCOPAL CHURCH MEANS TO

WELCOME EVERYONE.

AND THOSE WHO COULDN'T QUITE

STOMACH THAT LEFT.

AND WE'RE FEELING LIKE WE'RE

FOLLOWING GOD'S CALL.

>> Stephen: THAT'S ONE OF THE

BEEFS I HAVE WITH YOUR CHURCH IS

YOU-- THERE'S A SIGN ON THE EDGE

OF TOWN THAT SAYS, "THE

EPISCOPAL CHURCH WELCOMES YOU."

>> AND IT HAS NO ASTERISK WITH

EXCEPTIONS?

>> Stephen: NO IT, DOESN'T.

THAT'S ONE THING I DON'T GET IT

ABOUT-- IT DOESN'T SEEM

EXCLUSIVE THAT WAY.

YOU KNOW, IT DOESN'T SEEM THAT

COOLAVE CLUB IF ANYBODY COULD BE

PART OF IT,UN WHAT I MEAN?

YOU.

>> THE INTERESTING THING IS

JESUS JUST WASN'T THAT COOL.

JESUS WAS ALWAYS TALKING TO THE

MARGINALIZED, THOSE PUT DOWN BY

SOCIETY.

HE SPENT ALL OF HIS TIME WORKING

WITH THEM, LOVING THEM IN WAITZ

THEY HAD NEVER BEEN LOVED

BEFORE.

THAT'S WHAT WE WANT TO TRY TO

BE.

>> Stephen: ANOTHER BUT JESUS

ALSO SAYS--

( CHEERS AND APPLAUSE )

I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY, YOU'VE PLAYED

THE JESUS CARD, WHICH, OF

COURSE, IS A CROWD PLEASER.

>> IT'S A GREAT CARD!

>> Stephen: IT IS A GREAT

CARD BUT I CAN PLAY THE JESUS

CARD, TOO, BECAUSE JESUS SAYS I

HAVE NOT COME TO ELIMINATE A

SINGLE LAW, AND ONE OF THE LAWS

WAS A MAN SHALL NOT LAY WITH

ANOTHER MAN, AND IT'S AN

ABOMINATION AND SHOULD BE PUT TO

DEATH.

WAS GOD HAVING A BAD DAY?

WAS THAT A BRAIN FART?

WHY DID HE PUT THAT DOWN THERE?

>> THE PEOPLE WHO WROTE THAT

WERE HAVING A BAD GAY DAYIN

PERCEIVING GOD'S WILL, AND OVER

TIME IT SEEMS TO ME WE PERCEIVE

GOD'S WILL BETTER AND BETTER.

AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT'S SO

EXCITING TO BE ALIVE RIGHT NOW

IS WE'RE ASKING DID THE CHURCH--

DID THE SYNAGOGUE GET IT WRONG

ABOUT GAY, LESBIAN, BISEXUAL,

AND TRANSGENDER PEOPLE?

I THINK THE ANSWER IS YES.

( APPLAUSE )

>> Stephen: LET'S TALK A

LITTLE STRAIGHT TALK ABOUT GAY

MARRIAGE HERE, OKAY?

( LAUGHTER )

>> YOU'RE STRAIGHT, RIGHT?

>> Stephen: AS STRAIGHT AS

THEY COME, BABY DOLL.

I LOVE THE LADIES.

( LAUGHTER ).

NOW, HERE'S MY PROBLEM.

THIS IS WHERE I THINK WE GOT IN

TROUBLE, OKAY.

WE MADE BEING GAY LEGAL.

ALL RIGHT, AND ONCE IT'S LEGAL,

YOU CAN'T KEEP THEM FROM GETTING

MARRIED.

ONCE YOU ACCEPT GAY AS BEING

LEFT-HANDED, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN'T

KEEP LEFT-- YOU CAN'T KEEP

LEFT-HANDED PEOPLE FROM GETTING

MARRIED, AS MUCH AS WE WOULD

LIKE TO.

RIGHT?

>> AND THAT'S GREAT, RIGHT?

>> Stephen: IS IT RAY CHOICE?

THAT'S MY QUESTION.

IS IT LIKE BEING LEFT HANDED,

BEING GAY?

>> IT'S A LOT LIKE BEING

LEFT-HANDED.

THAT IS TO SAY-- IT'S PROBABLY

SOME COMBINATION OF GENETICS AND

BEHAVIORAL STUFF, BUT THE POINT

OF THE MATTER IS, BY THREE YEARS

OLD, SEXUAL ORIENTATION IS SET.

SO IT'S NOT A CHOICE IN ANY

REASONABLE SENSE OF THE WORD.

AND --

>> Stephen: IS BEING

EPISCOPALIAN A CHOICE?

>> YOU KNOW, IT IS ONE OF THE

BEST CHOICES IN THE HISTORY OF

THE WORLD.

>> Stephen: REALLY?

>> YEAH, IT'S LIKE-- IT'S LIKE--

( LAUGHTER )

IT'S LIKE ADVANCED PLACEMENT

RELIGION.

( LAUGHTER ).

( APPLAUSE )

IT'S FOR THINKING PEOPLE.

>> Stephen: AS I SAID THERE

WAS A SCHISM IN THE EPISCOPAL

CLUTCH AND SOME MODIDN'T WANT TO

ACCEPT GAY OR LESBIAN BISHOPS OR

FEMALE BISHOPS TRIED TO JOIN

WITH THE ANGLICAN CHURCH IN

AFRICA, ACTUALLY.

NOW THAT YOU'VE BEEN A BASQUE BISHOP

FOR HOW MANY YEARS--

>> 10 YEAR.

>> Stephen: IS IT GETTING

BETTER, ARE THEY UNSCHISMING?

ARE THEY SCHISMING BACK OR DID

THEY CALL NO BACK?

>> A LOT ARE COMING BACK AND

THEY WOULD BE WELCOME BACK ANY

MINUTE OF ANY DAY, AND IT'S

GOING BETTER WITH THE AFRICANS.

THEIR CONTEXT IS TOW DIFFERENT

THAN OURSELVES.

YOU KNOW, IF YOU COME OUT AS GAY

THERE YOU CAN BE ARRESTED AND IN

SOME PLACES PUT TO DEATH.

YOU'RE NOT GOING TO GET THE

NUMBERS OF PEOPLE LIKE WE HAVE

IN AMERICA WHO HAS COME OUT.

EVERYBODY NOW KNOWS SOMEONE GAY.

WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT THIS ISSUE A

FACE COMES UP OR A RELATIONSHIP

COMES UP.

AND YOU'RE JUST NOT WILLING TO

BELIEVE THE AWFUL THINS SAID

ABOUT US.

>> Stephen: I HOPE YOU

HAVEN'T THOUGHT I SAID ANY AWFUL

THINGS ABOUT YOU TONIGHT OTHER

THAN YOU'RE PART OF A HERETICAL

RELIGION THAT WILL GET YOU SENT

TO HELL, BUT THAT'S JUST IN MY

MANUAL.

>> AND PROUD OF IT.

>> Stephen: OKAY.

WELL, THANK YOU, BISHOP.

THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR JOINING

ME.

RESERVE GENE ROBINSON.

THE BOOK IS "GOD BELIEVES IN

LOVE."

( CHEERS AND APPLAUSE )

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