Brooke Gladstone

  • Aired:  07/26/11
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NPR host Brooke Gladstone explains why her graphic novel is similar to radio and fights the popular notion that the media control minds. (5:40)

SMEUP WELCOME BACK, EVERYBODY.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

MY GUEST TONIGHT HAS A NEW

GRAPHIC NOVEL.

I HOPE IT'S NOT TOO GRAPHIC,

THIS IS A FAMILY SHOW.

(LAUGHTER)

PLEASE WELCOME BROOKE GLADSTONE.

(CHEERS AND APPLAUSE)

HEY, BROOKE!

NICE TO SEE YOU AGAIN.

THANKS FOR COMING ON!

>> THANK YOU.

>> Stephen: NOW YOU ARE THE

HOST OF NPR'S "ON THE MEDIA."

AND YOU ARE ALSO THE AUTHOR OF

THE NEW BOOK "THE INFLUENCING

MACHINE: BROOKE GLADSTONE ON THE

MEDIA."

WHAT IS THE INFLUENCE MAGAZINE?

IS IT THIS?

>> YES, ACTUALLY, IT IS.

>> Stephen: I AM A MEMBER OF

THE MEDIA?

>> YOU ARE PART OF THE INFLUENCE

MAGAZINE.

EXCEPT THAT THERE IS NO

INFLUENCING MACHINE.

THIS IT TOO IS WHAT I WANT TO

FIGHT: THE POPULAR NOTION THAT

THE MEDIA ARE CONTROLLING OUR

MINDS.

IT'S REALLY A MIRROR.

WHAT?

NO, I HAVE CONTROL!

I HAVE CONTROL.

CLAP FOR ME, MY MONKEYS.

(CHEERS AND APPLAUSE)

I BELIEVE THE WORDS YOU EAR

LOOKING FOR "CHECK AND MATE."

(LAUGHTER)

WHAT DO YOU MEAN?

THE MEDIA DOES NOT HAVE... BUT

THAT'S EVERYTHING THAT I SHEAR

THAT THE MEDIA HAS CONTROL OVER

THE MINDS OF ITS AUDIENCE.

WE'RE ALL BEING BRAINWASHED.

>> WELL, THE MEDIA ARE

REFLECTING EVERYTHING THAT WE

ARE AS A PEOPLE AND AS A

CIVILIZATION.

AND SOME OF THAT IS PRETTY

DISGUSTING.

SOME OF THAT IS PRETTY SHALLOW.

SOME OF THAT IS TRIVIAL.

SOME OF IT IS FRIVOLOUS AND SOME

OF IT IS JUST PLAIN MENDACIOUS.

>>MENDACIOUS.

>> Stephen: ARE YOU GOING TO

TALK ABOUT ME THE ENTIRE

INTERVIEW?

(LAUGHTER)

>> ON THE OTHER HAND, SO MUCH OF

THE MEDIA IS EVERYTHING THAT WE

WANT IT TO BE.

>> Stephen: IT'S LIBERAL.

(LAUGHTER)

THE MEDIA HAS A LIBERAL BIAS.

THIS WE KNOW.

THE MEDIA-- EXCEPT FOR FOX NEWS,

THE "WALL STREET JOURNAL" AND A

COUPLE OTHER MURDOCH HOLDINGS--

ALL PARTS OF THE MEDIA HAVE A

LIBERAL BIAS.

YOU CAN NOT DENY THAT.

>> ACTUALLY, THERE WAS A STUD

THEY GEORGE MASON UNIVERSITY

DID, THE FIRST SEVEN MONTHS OF

EVERY PRESIDENT FROM REAGAN

THROUGH OBAMA AND IT TURNS OUT

THAT THE MEDIA HATES PRESIDENTS.

THE POSITIVE COVERAGE IS IN THE

30s AND AS A MATTER OF FACT

CLINTON CAME OFF WORSE AND OBAMA

CAME OFF WORSE IN THEIR FIRST

SEVEN MONTHS THAN THE

REPUBLICANS AND, OF COURSE,

IN... ON FOX NEWS CHANNEL, THE

OBAMA NUMBERS WERE AT LEAST 12

POINTS LOWER.

>> Stephen: WELL, THEY HAVE TO

BE FAIR.

(LAUGHTER)

OBAMA IS 12 POINTS WORSE.

(LAUGHTER)

>> ON FOX.

>> Stephen: OKAY.

SO THIS IS... I MEAN, IT'S A

GREAT BOOK.

IT'S KIND OF LIKE A GRAPHIC

NOVEL.

WE'VE GOT LOTS OF PICTURES IN

HERE.

IT'S A... IT'S A COMIC BOOK.

>> UH-HUH.

>> Stephen: AND YOU'RE IN IT A

LOT.

>> YES, I AM.

>> Stephen: IF YOU'RE GOING TO

PUT YOURSELF IN A COMIC BOOK,

WHY CAST YOURSELF AS AN NPR

HOST?

(LAUGHTER)

WHY NOT GIVE YOURSELF, LIKE,

HEAT VISION OR SOMETHING LIKE

THAT?

WHY DO IT IN THIS PARTICULAR

MEDIUM?

YOU KNOW, AS A MARSHALL

McLEWIN SAID, THE MEDIUM IS

THE MESSAGE.

WHAT IS THE MESSAGE OF YOUR

MEDIUM BEING CARTOONS TO EXPLAIN

OUR MEDIA?

>> WELL, PART OF IT IS A

GAUNTLET THAT I'M THROWING DOWN

AT THE IDEA THAT ONLY WORDS CAN

EXPRESS COMPLICATED IDEAS.

ANOTHER PART OF IT IS THAT IT'S

MORE LIKE RADIO, AND RAID JOE

WHAT I KNOW.

>> Stephen: WAIT A SECOND?

PICTURES ARE MORE LIKE RADIO?

>> YES.

>> Stephen: YOU'RE INSANE!

(LAUGHTER)

>> YES!

THAT'S TRUE.

BUT THINK ABOUT IT: RADIO IS AN

INCREDIBLY INTIMATE MEDIUM,

RIGHT?

I MEAN, YOU HAVE TO...

>> Stephen: I USUALLY LISTEN

TO IT NAKED.

(LAUGHTER)

>> YOU HAVE TO RELY ON A

PERSON'S VOICE WHICH IS SO

PERSONAL TO LEAD YOU THROUGH AWE

THICKET OF IDEAS, TO TAKE YOU

THROUGH A DIFFICULT SITUATION.

I THOUGHT THAT IF I COULD SPEAK

IN BUBBLES AND LOOK THE READER

DIRECTLY IN THE EYE THAT I WOULD

BE ABLE TO APPROXIMATE THE

INTIMACY OF THAT RELATIONSHIP.

ALSO, I GET TO BE A DOG, I GET

TO BE SPIDER-MAN, BRIDE OF

FRANKENSTEIN, MEDUSA, THE ONLY

ONE I DON'T GET TO BE IS BUFFY

AND IT REALLY FRUSTRATES ME!

(APPLAUSE).

>> Stephen: DO YOU THINK THAT

THERE IS ANY BIAS IN ANY OF THE

MEDIA?

BECAUSE YOU SEEM TO BE EXPUNGING

ALL GUILT FROM THE RECORD OF THE

MEDIA HERE.

>> ONLY IF YOU THINK THAT BIAS

HAS TO BE POLITICAL.

THERE ARE BIG BIASES IN THE

MEDIA.

>> Stephen: WHAT'S YOUR BIAS?

YOU WORK FOR NPR, I ASSUME YOU

HAVE A PRO TOTE BAG AGENDA.

(LAUGHTER)

WHAT IS YOUR BIAS?

>> I HAVE A PRO TRANSPARENCY

AGENDA.

I GENERALLY LIKE LESS SECRECY,

MORE SUNSHINE, ALTHOUGH I DO

HAVE A FAIRLY LARGE SELECTION OF

TOTE BAGS.

SORRY.

>> Stephen:S WHERE THE WORST

BIAS YOU SEEN IN OTHER MEDIA?

>> I THINK THAT FIRST OF ALL

THERE'S BAD NEWS BIAS.

THAT'S THE NOTION THAT... THAT

MAKES YOU THINK THE WORLD IS

MUCH SCARIER THAN IT IS.

AND THAT'S A VERY BAD THING.

>> Stephen: HOW BAD?

COULD IT KILL US?

(LAUGHTER)

>> BECAUSE IF YOU'RE WORRIED

ABOUT THINGS LIKE SOCIALISM AND

SEXTING THEN YOU'RE SO

DISTRACTED YOU WON'T WORRY ABOUT

THE FACT THAT IT'S EASY TO CARRY

A BOMB ON TO A TRAIN.

SO THERE'S THAT.

THEN THERE'S NARRATIVE BIASES.

>> Stephen: WELL, ON THE NOTE

OF IT'S EASY TO CARRY A BOMB ON

TO A TRAIN, SLEEP TIGHT,

AMERICA.

BROOKE GLADSTONE, THANK YOU SO

MUCH.

(CHEERS AND APPLAUSE)

>> THANK YOU.

>> Stephen: "THE INFLUENCING

MACHINE."

WE'LL BE RIGHT BACK.

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