Philip Mudd

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Former FBI Senior Intelligence Advisor Philip Mudd talks about Al Qaeda, Syria, Colin Powell's WMD speech and enhanced interrogation techniques. (7:05)

>> Stephen: WELCOME BACK,EVERYBODY.

MY GUEST TONIGHT IS ANINTELLIGENCE ANALYST WHOSE

WORK AT BOTH THE CIA AND THEFBI, THAT MEANS BOTH OF HIS

SHOES ARE PHONES.

S PLEASE WELCOME PHILIPMUDD.

(CHEERS AND APPLAUSE)THANK YOU FOR COMING ON.

ALL RIGHT, PHILIP MUDD, 25YEARS IN THE INTELLIGENCE

WORLD.

DEPUTY DIRECTOR OF THE CIA'SCOUNTERTERRORIST CENTER FROM

2003 TO 2005 THEN BECAME THEFBI SENIOR INTELLIGENCE

ADVISOR.

AND YOU HAVE A BOOK ENTITLEDTAKE DOWN, INSIDE THE HUNT

FOR AL QAEDA.

>> RIGHT.

>> Stephen: DO WE REALLYTAKE DOWN AL QAEDA OR SHOULD

IT BE CALLED SPREAD OUTINSIDE THE SCATTERING OF AL

QAEDA.

>> I THINK IF YOU LOOKED ATTHE ADVERSARY WE FACE 12

YEARS AGO IT BEAR THOSERESEMBLANCE TO WHAT WE SEE

TODAY.

THE PROBLEM IS WE DON'T FACETHE AL QAEDA GROUP TODAY, WE

FACE THE REM NANTZ OF AREVOLUTION IN PLACES LIKE

YEMEN, SOME ALI.

THE ARCHITECTS ARE ALMOSTGONE BUT THE REVOLUTION THEY

INSPIRED LIVES ON.

>> Stephen: ARE WE STILL INDANGER?

>> I THINK WE ARE.

IF YOU LOOK AT HOME GROUP,PEOPLE WHO SIT AND LOOK AT A

COMPUTER AND IMAGES FROMPLACES LIKE GAZA, IRAQ,

AFGHANISTAN, THOSE KIDS AREINSPIRED BY EMOTION, TO SAY

I WANT TO DO SOMETHING ABOUTTHAT.

NOW THEY HAVE AN IDEAOLOGYTHEY ATTACH THEMSELVES TO

AND THAT IS CALLED AL QAEDA.

>> Stephen: SHOULD THE CIAHAVE BOOTS ON THE GROUND OR

PHYSICAL INTELLIGENCE INPLACES OR SHOULD THEY BE

MORE WATCHING YOUTUBE TO SEEWHAT'S INSPIRING THESE KIDS.

>> LOOK F YOU WANT TOUNDERSTAND THE WAY A HUMAN

BEING THINKS, YOU NEED AHUMAN INFORMANT NEXT TO

THEM.

YOU CAN FIND OUT INFORMATIONFROM THE INTERNET, YOU CAN

FIND OUT INFORMATION FROMTELEPHONE INTERCEPTS FROM

E-MAILS BUT IN THE HISTORYOF TIME AND THAT HISTORY

HASN'T CHANGED IN 2013, YOUCAN'T BEAT A HUMAN

INFORMANT.

>> Stephen: DID YOU EVERMEET THAT GIRL FROM

HOMELAND?

(LAUGHTER)>> I HAVE-- .

>> Stephen: STAY AWAY FROMHER, SHE'S CRAZY.

HAVE YOU WATCHED THAT SHOW.

>> I HAVE NOT SEEN THE SHOW.

>> Stephen: YOU HAVEN'T?

IT'S SO GOOD.

>> I GATHER IT'S QUITEGOODMENT I DON'T OWN A TV SO

I DON'T WATCH THAT STUFF.

>> Stephen: DO YOU KNOW THATOUR TVs ARE SPYING ON US S

THAT WHY.

BECAUSE I WOULD BELIEVE THATAT THIS POINT.

WOULD YOU BELIEVE THAT, THATMY TV COULD SEE ME, WOULD

YOU BELIEVE THAT.

>> NO I WOULDN'T-- .

>> Stephen: YES, YOU WOULD.

GENERAL PETRAEUS SAID OURMICROWAVES ARE SPYING ON US.

>> NONSENSE.

>> Stephen: HE'S A HERO.

YOU JUST SAID NONSENSE ABOUTGENERAL PETRAEUS.

HOW DARE YOU.

AMERICAN CULTURE HAS A LOTTO YOU EVER A.

WE HAVE GREAT BOOKS, GREATPEOPLE, GREAT CAFES, GREAT

FOOD B 18 DOWN ON THAT LISTFOR ME IS TV.

WHICH TURNS YOUR BRAIN INTOCOTTON CANDY SO I DECIDED TO

YEARS AGO, DUMP IT.

>> Stephen: I GOT ONE THINGI WANT TO POINT OUT TO YOU.

WE'RE NOT ON BROADWAY RIGHTNOW.

(LAUGHTER)(APPLAUSE)

>> Stephen: TV IS SELLINGYOUR BOOK, TV IS SELLING

YOUR BOOK RIGHT NOW.

YOU WANT TO AMEND THAT INANY WAY?

>> NO, GO READ A BOOK.

>> Stephen: I DON'T HAVE TO,BECAUSE I HAVE CABLE.

ALL RIGHT, I HAVE SOMEBODYREAD A BOOK TO ME ON CABLE,

ALL RIGHT.

YOU EVER HEARD OF THEREADING RAINBOW?

>> NO, I HAVEN'T.

>> Stephen: YOU HAVEN'THEARD OF THE READING

RAINBOW.

>> Stephen: WELL, WHO'S THEDUMBY NOW.

HOW DARE YOU.

HOW DARE YOU, SIR.

OKAY, LET'S TALK ABOUT SYRIA.

YOU KNOW SOMETHING ABOUTSYRIA, RIGHT.

>> YES, I DO.

>> Stephen: THE BOTTOM LINESU SHOULD GO, RIGHT.

>> YES, CORRECT.

>> Stephen: THE AMERICANPEOPLE DON'T THINK SO.

>> I UNDERSTAND.

>> Stephen: HOW CAN WE -->> YOU DON'T CARE, WITH.

>> NO, I SAID I UNDERSTAND.

>> Stephen: OH, I THOUGHTYOU SAID YOU DON'T CARE.

BECAUSE-- I DON'T CARE.

OKAY, THEY GET THINGS WRONG.

IT'S OUR-- IT'S OUR GOAL TOLEAD THEM, RIGHT.

>> I THINK THAT'S RIGHT.

>> Stephen: OKAY.

SO WHY DO YOU THINK THEYDON'T WANT TO GO?

>> BECAUSE I THINK THEY LOOKAT IRAQ AND AFGHANISTAN AND

SAY TOO MANY BOYS AND GIRLS,MEN AND WOMEN FROM THIS

COUNTRY IS DIED IN WAR ANDTERRORIST EVENTS AND WE WANT

OUT.

WE'VE DONE WITH THIS.

>> Stephen: NOW I UNDERSTANDYOU HELP PREPARE COLIN

POWELL'S BEFORE THE U.N.

SAYING THERE WERE WEAPONS OFPASS DESTRUCTION.

>> I CAME UP WITH THE SPEECHAND CAME WITH HIM WHEN HE

GAVE THE SPOCH.

>> Stephen: DO YOU THINK HEACTUALLY HAD EVIDENCE THAT

THERE WAS WECHES OF MASSDESTRUCTION IN IRAQ BECAUSE

PEOPLE KEEP POINTING TO THATTESTIMONY AND GOING WE HEARD

THIS, THEY WEREN'T THERE,THAT'S WHY WE'RE RELUCTANT

TO GO INTO SYRIA.

>> I THINK THAT SAY REDHERRING.

FIRST THE U.N. IS ABOUT TOCOME OUT AND SAY THERE FROM

CHEMICAL WEAPONS USED INSYRIA.

SO THAT IS A FUNDAMENTALLYDIFFERENT STORY FROM IRAQ.

BUT I WOULD GO BACK TOSEEING-- .

>> Stephen: THERE ARE DOUBTS,GUYS LIKE PUTIN ARE SAYING

MAYBE IT WASN'T THEGOVERNMENT THAT DID IT.

>> IT IS VLADIMIR PUTIN,WHAT THE HELL HE IS GOING TO

SAY.

>> Stephen: HE'S GOING TOSAY "NEW YORK TIMES", NEW

YORK FILES WOULD YOU PLEASEPRINT MY IDEAS WITH WITHOUT

COMMENT?

AND THEY DID, SO PEOPLE WILLREAD THAT AND BELIEVE HIM.

>> NO, THEY'RE NOT.

>> Stephen: YES, THEY WILL.

HAVE YOU -->> I DON'T THINK THE

QUESTION WMD.

I THINK THE QUESTION IS ATYRANT WHO HAS A RECKLESS

ABANDON WHEN HE MURDERSINNOCENCE.

AT WHAT POINT DOW DRAW ALINE AND SAY WE ARE NOT JUST

U.S. CITIZENS, WE'RE GLOBALCITIZENS.

ONE MORE THING, HISTORY F WETHINK OF WHERE WE'RE GO TO

BE IN 10 OR 20 YEARS WHATARE WE GOING TO TELL OUR

KIDS, THAT WE DIDN'T HAVETHE COURAGE BECAUSE WE WERE

AFRAID TO DEFEND AGAINST THEMURDZ OF 100,000 INNOCENTS.

I DON'T WANT TO BE THERE FORTHAT.

>> Stephen: NOW WHEN DID YOULEAVE THE INTELLIGENCE

COMMUNITY.

>> 2010.

>> Stephen: 2010.

OKAY, YOU WERE GOING TO BEGIVEN A POSITION, THE

DEPARTMENT OF HOMELANDSECURITY AND QUESTIONS WERE

RAISED ABOUT YOUR KNOWLEDGEOF ENHANCING INTERROGATION

AND YOU REMOVED YOURSELF.

>> CORRECT.

>> Stephen: FROM THENOMINATION PROCESS.

>> SO FAR YOU GOT T THAT'SCORRECT.

>> Stephen: SO FAR I HAVEGOT T STOP ME WHEN I DON'T

HAVE IT ANY MORE.

WERE YOU INVOLVED INENHANCED INTERROGATION AND

DOW BELIEVE WE SHOULD BEDOING IT?

>> I WAS INVOLVED AND DEPUTYDIRECTED THE COUNTER TER

CYST CENTER THAT CONDUCTEDTHOSE INTERROGATION

TECHNIQUES AND HOUSED ALQAEDA PRISONERS.

I DON'T REGRET WHAT WE DIDTHEN BUT SINCE THENED

AMERICAN PEOPLE HAVE HAD THETIME AND THE SPACE TO DEBATE

THIS ISSUE.

AND THEY'VE SAID WE DON'TLIKE IT AND WE DON'T WANT

OUR SECURITY SERVICES DOINGIT.

SO I RESPECT THAT, THESECURITY SERVICE IN A

DEMOCRATIC SOCIETY SERVED ATTHE WILL OF THE PEOPLE.

AND THE WILL OF THE PEOPLEHAS SPOKEN.

>> Stephen: DO YOU THINK ITMIGHT SWING BACK, WE GET

ATTACKED AGAIN.

>> NO WAY, NO WAY.

>> Stephen: IF WE GETATTACKED AGAIN.

>> NO WAY, DUDE, IT'S TO THEGOING TO HAPPEN.

FURTHERMORE F IT DID THEPEOPLE IN MY POSITION, AND I

WOULD DO THE SAME F I WERETHEM WOULD, SAY NO AND IF I

WERE WERE THERE I WOULDRESIGN, THAT AIN'T GOING

HAPPEN AGAIN.

>> Stephen: DID YOU EVERRENDITION ANYBODY.

>> NO, I SIGNED PAPERS TO DOIT, TO HAVE PEOPLE.

>> Stephen: WHAT IS THEDIFFERENCE BETWEEN --

>> I WASN'T ON THE PLANE.

>> Stephen: WELL-- EITHERWAS-- NEITHER WAS PRESIDENT

BUSH.

>> SO I'M-- IF ARE YOUASKING IF I'M RESPONSIBLE

FOR SOME OF THAT, THE ANSWERIS YES.

>> Stephen: ALL RIGHT DO YOUTHINK THAT WAS THE RIGHT

THING TO DO.

>> YES.

>> Stephen: AND RENDITIONSOME OF THOSE PEOPLE TO

SYRIA?

>> I THINK THE ANSWER ISYES.

I DON'T-- WE RENDERED A LOTOF PEOPLE.

>> Stephen: ANY CHANCE WEWILL KILL PEOPLE WE

RENDITIONED IF WE BOMB OVERTHERE.

>> POSSIBLY.

>> Stephen: THANK YOU FORJOINING ME.

(APPLAUSE)PHILIP MUDD, THE BOOK IS

TAKEDOWN, WE'LL BE RIGHTBACK.

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