Patrick Kennedy

  • Aired:  02/10/14
  •  | Views: 21,948

Patrick Kennedy discusses equal insurance rights for the mentally ill and his anti-marijuana lobbying group, Project SAM. (6:42)

>> Stephen: WELCOME BACK,EVERYBODY.

MY GUEST TONIGHT IS A FORMERCONGRESSMAN WHO NOW LEADS AN

ANTI-MARIJUANA LOBBYINGGROUP.

BET THEY GET A LOT MORE DONETHAN THE PRO MARIJUANA GROUP.

PLEASE WELCOME PATRICKKENNEDY.

(CHEERS AND APPLAUSE)MR. KENNEDY, THANKS FOR

COMING ON.

>> ALL RIGHT, LET'S GET THECV OUT. OBVIOUSLY EVERYBODY

KNOWS THE FAMILY NAME BUTYOU SERVED 16 YEARS IN THE

HOUSE IN RHODE ISLAND'SFIRST DISTRICT.

YOU WERE CO-AUTHOR AND LEADSPONSOR OF THE MENTAL HEALTH

PARITY AND ADDICTIONEQUALITY ACT.

NOW LEADING PROJECT SAM WHATIS SAM.

>> I CAME TO THIS BECAUSE IWAS A SPONSOR OF THIS MENTAL

HEALTH BILL THAT SAID THEBRAIN WAS PART OF THE BODY.

THAT WAS A BIG PIECE OFLEGISLATION YOU JUST CITED

THAT I SPONSORED.

>> Stephen: IF THE BRAIN ISPART OF THE BODY THEN WHY DO

WOMEN WANT TO KNOW IF WEWANT THEM FOR THEIR BODY OR

THEIR BRAIN?

(LAUGHTER)CAN'T HAVE BOTH, CAN'T HAVE

IT BOTH WAYS.

ANYWAY-- GO AHEAD, GO AHEAD.

>> SO JUST LIKE WOMEN AREDISCRIMINATED AGAINST

BECAUSE IF THEY HAVE A BABYTHEY ARE HIGHER COSTS, YOU

KNOW, WE WERE TRYING TO MAKESURE THAT YOU COULDN'T

DISCRIMINATE AGAINST THEBRAIN AND MENTAL ILLNESS

WHICH INSURANCE COMPANIESTRADITIONALLY DO.

THEY IMPOSE HIGHER COSTS ONYOU AS A CONSUMER IF YOU

HAVE A BRAIN ILLNESS.

BUT IF YOU HAVE DIABETES ORASTHMA OR CARDIOVASCULAR

DISEASE, THEY DON'T CHARGEYOU MORE OR DISCRIMINATE

AGAINST YOU MORE.

EVEN THOUGH YOU MIGHT BE AVERY COSTLY HEALTH PATIENT.

>> Stephen: BUT IF YOURBRAIN ILLNESS IS BAD ENOUGH,

YOU DON'T KNOW YOU'RE BEINGDISCRIMINATED AGAINST.

(LAUGHTER)DOESN'T IT ALL COME OUT IN

THE WASH, THERE, PAT?

>> THAT'S TRUE.

YOU KNOW WHAT, THAT IS WHYIT WAS SO DIFFICULT TO GET

THE BILL PASSED BECAUSEUNLIKE CANCER ADVOCATES,

THEY ALL SHOW UP WHEN YOUHAVE A CANCER BILL.

MENTAL HEALTH ADVOCATESDON'T LIKE TO PUT THEIR HAND

UP AND SAY THEY HAVE AMENTAL ILLNESS BECAUSE OF

THE STIGMA AGAINST THEILLNESS.

>> Stephen: NOW YOU HAVE ANEW AXE TO GRIND HERE.

YOU'RE OPPOSED TO MARIJUANALEGALIZATION.

OKAY.

YOU'RE A YOUNG, POPULARDEMOCRAT.

WHY ARE YOU ADMIRAL BUZZSHACKLER ON THIS ONE.

I'M WITH YOU, AN I TELL YOUWHY IN A SECOND.

I AGREE WITH YOU AND I ALSODISAGREE WITH YOU FOR TWO

DIFFERENT REASONS.

BUT FIRST, MAKE YOUR CASE TOAMERICA RIGHT NOW, WHY

SHOULD WE NOT LEGALIZE POT.

BECAUSE IT'S HAPPENED INCOLORADO IS DOING IT,

WASHINGTON STATE IS DOING IT,20 STATES HAVE LEGAL MEDICAL

MARIJUANA.

>> WELL, I AM A GOOD LIBERALDEMOCRAT.

AND I DON'T LIKE BIGBUSINESS.

AND SO THIS IS THE BIGBUSINESS OF ADDICTION.

BECAUSE MARIJUANA IS NOWMOVED FROM THE HEMP SHIRTS

TO THE BRIEFCASES.

THEY'RE TRYING TO SELL THISNEW BIG BUSINESS JUST LIKE

BIG TOBACCO AND BIG LIQUORON THE NOTION THAT THEY CAN

MAKE A PROFIT OFF OF PEOPLELIKE ME WHO ARE ADDICTS

BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE THEIRMONEY IS.

THEIR MONEY IS IN PEOPLELIKE ME WHO LIKE TO USE MORE

THAN IS REALLY ACCEPTABLE.

>> Stephen: OKAY, THAT ISTHE ONE-- THAT IS THE ONE,

THAT IS THE ONE PART OF THISTHAT I DO LIKE.

BECAUSE AS AN INVESTOR, IJUST FOUND OUT THERE IS THIS

WHOLE ENORMOUS MARKET CALLEDPOT THAT HAS BEEN MAKING

BILLIONS OF DOLLARS OFF BOOKFOR YEARS.

NOW I CAN PUT MY MONEY INCOLORADO COMPANIES THAT ARE

GETTING THE STANKIEST BUDPOSSIBLE, OKAY, AND I CAN

MAKE A BUTT LOAD OF CASH,WHY SHOULDN'T I DO THAT.

>> THAT IS THE BIG THINGABOUT THIS NEW INDUSTRY.

THEY'RE GOING TO ADVERTISE.

SO YOU GET FREE JOINTS WHEN YOUGET YOUR LIFT TICKET YOU GET

FREE JOINTS WHEN YOU GO-- .

>> Stephen: IS THATHAPPENING.

>> YEAH, THAT'S REALLY.

>> Stephen: THE PARTY ISHAPPENING.

>> AND YOU KNOW, YOU CAN GETTHE BROWNIES AND COOKIES ALL

THC.

YOU CAN GET SODAS WITH THC.

BUT MOST PEOPLE THINKLEGALIZATION IS ALLOWING ME

TO SMOKE MARIJUANA ON THEWEEKENDS.

IT'S TO YOU BEING ABLE TOSELL PRODUCTS WITH THC IN

IT.

>> Stephen: NOW I WANT IT TO BEILLEGAL AGAIN. HERE IS THE

THING.

IF YOU GET ARRESTED YOU GOTO JAIL, OKAY.

YOU ARE FORDECRIMINALIZATION.

>> I'M FOR KEEPING ITILLEGAL BUT FOR ALTERNATIVE

SENTENCING.

I THINK PEOPLE SHOULD PAYFINES.

I THINK THEY SHOULD GETTREATMENT IF THEY NEED IT.

AND THAT IS WHY I PASSED THEMENTAL HEALTH PARITY AND

MENTAL ADDICTION ACT.

I THINK THERE SHOULD BE ACHECKUP FROM THE NECK UP.

>> Stephen: SO INSTEAD OFGOING TO JAIL, YOU GO TO

REHAB.

>> SO, WELL, REHABS AREGOING TO LOVE THIS.

>> Stephen: I SHOULD INVESTIN REHABS.

>> YOU SHOULD INVEST INREHAB BECAUSE THE BIGGEST

NEW ADMISSION NOW, AND ITSURPASSES COCAINE AND

ALCOHOL AND METHIS MARIJUANA, BELIEVE

IT OR NOT.

>> Stephen: REALLY.

>> INVEST IN THAT AND INVESTIN MARIJUANA, YOU WILL MAKE

OUT IN BOTH RESPECTS, YES.

>> Stephen: DO YOU SMOKE POT,YOU DON'T DO SUBSTANCE ABUSE

ANY MORE.

DID YOU SMOKE POT.

>> IF THE KIND OF MARIJUANATHAT IS AVAILABLE TODAY WAS

AVAILABLE BACK WHEN I WASTRYING IT, I COULD HAVE

EATEN IT BECAUSE IT'S THESEEDIBLES THAT-- BECAUSE I HAD

ASTHMA, I MOVED ON TO OTHERTHINGS TO GET HIGH.

I DIDN'T SMOKE-- .

>> Stephen: WAIT A SECOND,WAIT A SECOND.

SO IF POT IS ILLEGAL THENMAYBE WOULD YOU HAVE STOPPED

WITH POT.

>> I MIGHT HAVE STOPPED WITHPOT BUT THEN I WOULDN'T HAVE

FINALLY REALIZED THAT I HADA PROBLEM BECAUSE MARIJUANA

WOULD HAVE KEPT ME ON THESLOW TRAIN TO NOWHERE A LOT

LONGER THAN COCAINE ORALCOHOL.

WHERE IT'S PRETTY HARD AFTERA WHILE TO IGNORE THE FACT

THAT YOU HAVE AN ADDICTION.

BUT MARIJUANA, YOU CAN SMOKEIT FOR A LONG TIME AND STILL

BE IN DENIAL,.

YOU KNOW, MY DENIAL WASTOUGH TO BREAK.

I WAS ARRESTED FOR SEVERALTIMES.

I WAS HUMILIATED BUT WITHMARIJUANA I PROBABLY WOULD

HAVE BEEN ABLE TO GET AWAYWITH IT A LOT LONGER THAT

I DID.

>> Stephen: I TOLD YOU THEREWERE TWO THINGS THAT WORRY

ME.

THE OTHER IS THAT IF WE MAKEMARIJUANA LEGAL

IT MIGHT CUT INTO XANAX SALES BECAUSE PHARMACEUTICALS

THOSE THINGSHAVE GOT A SWEET LITTLE EDGE

TO THEM.

SHOULD WE MAKEPHARMACEUTICALS ILLEGAL AS

WELL?

BECAUSE THEY ARE HIGHLYADDICTIVE.

>> WELL, IT'S LIKEOXYCONTIN WHICH I WAS

ADDICTED TO.

>> Stephen: WAS IT LOVELY.

>> YEAH, IT FELT REALLYGOOD.

AND YOU KNOW WHAT, THAT'SNOW PERMISSIVE.

THAT'S THE PROBLEM WITHMAKING MARIJUANA LEGAL IS IT

A PERMISSIVE I'M, SAYING OH,IT'S MEDICINE, I WILL TAKE T

I WILL FEEL BETTER.

AND I REALLY WORRY ABOUT THEFUTURE OF OUR COUNTRY.

AND WITH THE ANXIETY LEVELOF OUR YOUNG PEOPLE, THE

STRESS OF OUR KIDS, WE'REJUST ADDING SOMETHING ELSE

THAT MAY IN THE SHORT RUNMAKE THEM FEEL BETTER BUT IN

THE LONG RUN IS GOING TOREALLY COST THEM AND COST

OUR COUNTRY.

>> Stephen: PATRICK, THANKYOU SO MUCH FOR JOINING ME.

>> THANK YOU.

>> Stephen: PATRICK KENNEDY.

PROJECT SAM, WE'LL BE RIGHTBACK.

Loading...