Stop Online Piracy Act - Danny Goldberg & Jonathan Zittrain

  • Aired:  12/01/11
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Music manager Danny Goldberg defends Internet piracy laws, and Harvard law professor Jonathan Zittrain doesn't want Justin Bieber to go to jail for copyright infringement. (4:42)

DESK WITH A BAG OF POTTING

SOIL.

JOINING ME NOW IS ONE OF THE

MANY VICTIMS OF INTERNET

PIRACY.

A MUNICH MANAGER WHOSE

CLIENTS HAVE INCLUDED

NIRVANA AND THE BEASTIE BOYS,

PLEASE WELCOME FORMER HEAD

OF MERCURY RECORDS AND

PRESIDENT OF-- ENTERTAINMENT,

DANNY GOLDBERG, THANKS SO

MUCH FOR BEING HERE.

OKAY.

ALL RIGHT.

(APPLAUSE)

THIS IS A HUGE PROBLEM,

ISN'T IT.

>> I THINK THE INTERNET IS

GREAT.

I LOVE IT.

BUT OVER THE LAST 15 YEARS,

THERE ARE

MULTIBILLION-DOLLAR

COMPANIES HAVE BEEN CREATED

AND AT THE SAME TIME THERE

ARE THOUSANDS OF JOBS LOST

AND MOVIES AND RECORDS AND

BOOKS.

AND THE PENDULUM NEEDS TO

SWING BACK TO ITS MIDDLE.

>> Stephen: SHOULDN'T THE

FREE MARKET HANDLE THIS.

WHEN MY SHOW STARTED I WAS

ABOUT 25% OF ALL THE VIDEOS

ON YOUTUBE, ALL RIGHT.

[BLEEP] YOU NOT, NOW MY

PARENT COMPANY VIACOM

BROUGHT A BILLION DOLLAR

HAMMER DOWN ON GOOGLE THAT

OWNED YOUTUBE.

ISN'T THAT HOW IT SHOULD BE

WORKED OUT, BY COMPANIES

POLICING THEMSELVES?

>> WELL, LAWSUITS ARE PART

OF THE LAW.

AND LAWS, A NEW LAW ALLOWS

PEOPLE TO SUE FOR THINGS

LIKE THAT.

BUT POLICEMAN ARREST PEOPLE

FOR STEALING.

AND YOU NEED COPS TO

ENFORCE-- TO ENFORCE THE

LAW.

>> Stephen: CAN WE GET

INTERNET POLICEMAN, MAYBE

THOSE GUYS FROM TRON ON

MOTORCYCLES.

ALL RIGHT, HOLD ON A SECOND.

NOW JOINING US NOW TO DEFEND

THIEVES AND PIRATES, PLEASE

WELCOME PROFESSOR OF

INTERNET LAW AT HARVARD,

JONATHAN ZITTRAIN.

THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR

JOINING ME.

(CHEERS AND APPLAUSE)

WHY, WHY DO YOU WANT ARTISTS

TO STARVE?

>> I WANT ARTISTS TO THRIVE.

THE INTERNET ALLOWS ARTISTS

TO FIND THEIR AUDIENCES.

WHEN JUSTICE -- JUSTIN

BEIBER STARTED JUST SING HIS

FAVORITE SONGING ON YOUTUBE

HE GOT DISCOVERED THANKS TO

THE INTERNET.

AND THE ODD THING IS, UNDER

THIS LAW, THE BEHAVIOR OF

JUST FIN BEIBER, SINGING HIS

FAVORITE SONGS WITHOUT

AUTHORIZATION OVER THE

INTERNET COULD MAKE HIM A

FELL ON IN JAIL FOR THREE

YEARS, SO.

>> Stephen: SO YOU ARE

SAYING YOU DO NOT

WANT-- EXCUSE ME, EXCUSE ME.

EXCUSE ME.

CLAP AFTER I NAIL HIM.

ARE YOU SAYING YOU DO NOT

WANT TO SEE JUSTIN BOOEB

NEVER JAIL?

>> NOT-- I'M NOT SAYING-- .

>> Stephen: WELL, WHAT ABOUT

THAT POINTS.

WHAT ABOUT THE POINT THAT IF

PEOPLE GET PROSECUTED F

THERE ARE CRIMINAL PENALTIES

FOR POSTING COPY WRITTEN

MATERIAL, PEOPLE WILL GO TO

JAIL, THAT WILL STIFLE ART.

>> OH THAT'S JUST AN

EXAGGERATION.

THAT IS NOT WHAT THIS LAW IS

ABOUT, AS I UNDERSTAND IT

THEY JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE

THAT THESE COMPANIES

OVERSEAS THAT HAVE BEEN

STEALING BILLIONS OF DOLLARS

WORTH OF THINGS AND SELLING

ADVERTISING BASED ON IT

CAN'T DO IT.

NOBODY WANTS TO PUT JUSTIN

BOOEB NEVER JAIL.

>> Stephen: KNOCK, SOME

PEOPLE WANT TO PUT JUSTIN

BOOEB NEVER JAIL.

>> NOT ME, I LOVE JUSTIN

BEIBER.

>> Stephen: NOW WHAT ABOUT

THAT DANNY OVER HERE SAYS

THIS IS JUST FOR FOREIGN

COMPANIES THAT ARE STEALING

FROM OUR ARTISTS.

>> THIS IS A 78 PAGE LAW,

SOME OF THEM ARE ABOUT

PUTTING JUSTIN BIEBER IN

JAIL, BUT THERE ARE OTHER

PARTS OF THE LAW THAT SAY IF

THERE ARE SITES OVERSEAS

THAT THE ATTORNEY GENERAL

DOESN'T LIKE, THE ATTORNEY

GENERAL WITHOUT ANY OTHER

ADVERSARIAL PROCEEDING CAN

GET AN ORDER ASKING AMERICAN

INTERNET COMPANIES TO CUT

OFF THAT SITE.

AND IN ESSENCE THIS LAW

TAKES A PAGE OUT OF THE

PLAYBOOKS OF CHINA AND IRAN

FOR INTERNET REGULATION.

AND THAT IS NOT WHAT WE

WANT.

>> Stephen: I DON'T KNOW

ABOUT IRAN BUT CHINA IS KICK

OUR ASS IN BUSINESS RIGHT

NOW.

WOULDN'T THIS BE GOOD FOR

AMERICAN BUSINESS BECAUSE IF

WE SHUT DOWN PARTS OF THE

INTERNET WON'T PEOPLE AT

WORK ACTUALLY DOT WORK THEY

WERE HIRED FOR.

>> THE PROBLEM IS THAT THEY

ARE STILL GOING PLAY

SOLITAIRE.

SO THEY ARE ALWAYS GOING TO

FIND A WAY.

>> Stephen: WE'LL COME UP

WITH A LAW TO SHUT DOWN

SOLITAIRE.

OKAY.

DO YOU THINK THAT THIS LAW

GOES FAR ENOUGH.

>> YOU NEED SOMETHING TO

PREVENT STEALING.

THE PENDULUM IS GOING TOO

FAR.

YOU KNOW, APPLE HAS A

LEGITIMATE WAY OF SELLING

MUSIC.

THEY NEGOTIATE WITH THE

COMPANIES AND THEY SELL IT

AND iPODS ARE DOING GREAT

AND iTUNES IS DOING GREAT

AND EVERYONE GETS PAID FOR.

>> Stephen: WHAT IF THERE

WAS SOME EVEN TRADE-OFF

BETWEEN THEFT AND

RETRIBUTION LIKE THE ARTIST

ACTUALLY GOT TO GET

SOMETHING OUT OF THE

INTERNET COMPANY THAT WAS

STEALING FROM THEM, LIKES AN

EYE FOR AN iPOD.

>> WELL, IT'S A GOOD LINE

BUT-- .

>> Stephen: IT'S AN

EXCELLENT LINE.

AND IF ANYONE STEALS IT-- IS

A COPY WRITTEN LINE AND IF

YOU STEAL IT I WILL SUE.

DANNY GOLD FWERING, THANK

YOU SO MUCH FOR JOINING ME.

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