WikiLeaks Document Dump - James Rubin

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James Rubin discusses the effect of the WikiLeaks document dump on international diplomacy. (6:09)

NATION, IT SEEMS LIKE THE

BIGGEST NEWS STORIES ALWAYS HIT

DURING THE HOLIDAYS.

I MEAN, WHO COULD FORGET THE

CHRISTMAS BREAK WHEN JESUS WAS

BORN?

SURE ENOUGH OVER THANKSGIVING

THERE WAS A SUZIE.

JIM.

>> WIKILEAKS STRIKES AGAIN.

ANOTHER DOCUMENT DUMP FROM THE

WEB SITE.

>> A NEW MASSIVE DOCUMENT DUMP.

>> ANOTHER WHOPPING DOCUMENT

DUMP.

>> THIS IS GOING TO BE MASSIVE

DUMP.

>> Stephen: THAT'S NOT

SURPRISING.

AFTER THANKSGIVING YOU SHOULD

ALWAYS EXPECT A PRETTY BIG DUMP.

( LAUGHTER )

PEABODY.

PEABODY AWARD.

ONCE AGAIN THE DUMP CAME FROM

WIKILEAKS, LED BY ENEMY OF THE

STATE AND FRIEND OF THE SHOW

JULIAN ASSANGE, MAN RELENTLESSLY

COMMITTED TO TRANSPARENCY

PROBABLY BECAUSE HIS SKIN IS

SEE-THROUGH.

( LAUGHTER )

THIS TIME ASSANGE TOOK A

WIKILEAK ALL OVER THE STATE

DEPARTMENT, RELEASING A QUARTER

OF A MILLION CONFIDENTIAL

DIPLOMATIC CABLES REVEALING

SENSITIVE COMMUNICATIONS LIKE A

U.S. DIPLOMAT CALLING ITALIAN

PRIME MINISTER BERLUSCONI

FECKLESS, VAIN AND INEFFECTIVE

AND ANOTHER CALLING FRENCH

PRESIDENT SARKOZY THIN-SKINNED.

WHICH I'M SURE WILL UPSET HIM.

( LAUGHTER )

I'VE HEARD HE'S PRETTY

THIN-SKINNED.

BUT THAT'S MOTT THE MOST

EMBARRASSING PART.

JIM.

>> ONE OF THE MOST EMBARRASSING

REVELATIONS MAY INVOLVE THE U.S.

STATE DEPARTMENT.

CABLES THAT REPORTEDLY SHOW

SECRETARY OF STATE HILLARY

CLINTON ORDERED U.S. EMBASSIES

AND INTELLIGENCE SERVICES TO

GATHER PRIVATE INFORMATION ON

U.N. LEADERS AND DIPLOMATS,

INCLUDING COMPUTER PASSWORDS,

EVEN D.N.A.

>> Stephen: THAT'S RIGHT.

SECRETARY CLINTON WAS COLLECTING

D.N.A.

I ASSUME TO FIND OUT WHICH

AMBASSADORS BILL HAD NOT HAD SEX

WITH.

( LAUGHTER )

NOW, I'M GOING TO SHOCK YOU

FOLKS RIGHT NOW AND DEFEND

ASSANGE ON THIS ONE.

I SAY IT'S ABOUT TIME DIPLOMACY

GOT TAKEN DOWN A PEG.

LET'S FACE IT, DIPLOMATS ARE

JUST A BUNCH OF ANTI-WAR

TALK-MONGERS WORD-MINCING THEIR

WAY AROUND COCKTAIL PARTY,

DANCING AROUND THE TRUTH TO FIND

COMMON GROUND BETWEEN HOSTILE

NATIONS ALL THE WHILE LAUGHING

BEHIND OUR BACKS ABOUT HOW THEIR

LICENSE PLATES ALLOW THEM TO

PARK THEIR PEUGEOTS IN HANDICAP

LOADING ZONES.

( CHEERS AND APPLAUSE )

I ADMIRE A STRAIGHT SHOOTER.

THAT'S WHAT I AM.

CASE IN POINT, THANKSGIVING

DINNER LAST THURSDAY.

I WALKED RIGHT INTO MY BROTHER'S

DINING ROOM AND TOLD UNCLE BERT

WE ALL KNOW HE'S GAY AND AUNT

SOPHIE HER STUFFING IS A WAR

CRIME.

WHILE EVERYBODY ELSE WAS BUSY

SCREAMING AND CRYING, I GOT ALL

THE CRISPY TURKEY SKIN.

THAT'S ALL WIKILEAKS IS DOING

HERE ON A GLOBAL SCALE BECAUSE

AFTER THESE REVELATION, NO ONE

WILL EVER TRUST AMERICA'S

DIPLOMACY AGAIN, AND COUNTRIES

CAN GO BACK TO A MORE DIRECT

MEANS OF COMMUNICATION -- WAR.

I AM SURE THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT

MR. ASSANGE INTENDED.

HERE TO JOIN ME IN CELEBRATING

THE DEATH OF AMERICAN DIPLOMACY,

PLEASE WELCOME THE FORMER

ASSISTANT SECRETARY OF STATE IN

THE CLINTON ADMINISTRATION,

JAMES RUBIN.

JAMES, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR

COMING ON.

( CHEERS AND APPLAUSE )

NOW, THERE'S A LOT OF BROUHAHA

ABOUT THE DOCUMENT DUMP.

PEOPLE OUT IN THE DIPLOMACY

WORLD, THEY'RE PRETTY UPSET,

CORRECT IN

>> ABSOLUTELY.

I THINK THE ITALIAN FOREIGN

MINISTER CALLED IT THE 9/11 OF

DIPLOMACY.

>> Stephen: WHAT'S THE WORST

THAT COULD HAPPEN?

>> WELL, THE WORST THAT COULD

HAPPEN, YOU HAVE TO REMEMBER, AT

THE PRESENT TIME DEPARTMENT

DIPLOMATS, ALL THEY REALLY HAVE

IS THE TRUSTING THEY BUILD WITH

FOREIGN LEADERS.

IF THEY LOSE THAT BECAUSE

FOREIGN LEADERS THINK THE

MATERIAL THEY'RE SHARING OR THE

CONVERSATIONS THEY'RE HAVING ARE

GOING TO BE ON THE FRONT PAGES

'RE LESSOF THE NEWSPAPER, áq

LIKELY TO BE FRANK.

>> Stephen: BUT, AND PARDON MY

FRENCH FOR A SECOND, DOESN'T

EVERYBODY KIND OF KNOW THE

THINGS DIPLOMATS SAY IS

[BLEEPED]?

IT'S JUST BENEVOLENT [BLEEPED].

IT'S [BLEEPED] FOR A GOOD

REASON, TO STOP A WAR, RIGHT?

THIS IS JUST PEELING BACK THE

MASK AND SAY, WE ALL KNOW WE

TALK ABOUT THIS WAY ABOUT EACH

OTHER, CORRECT?

>> WELL, ACTUALLY NOT.

IN GENERAL DIPLOMATS HAVE TO

RESOLVE PROBLEMS BY RESOLVING AN

ISSUE PRIVATELY, AND THAT MIGHT

INCLUDE ALLOWING A LEADER TO SAY

SOMETHING PUBLICLY THAT IS

DIFFERENT THAN WHAT THEY SAY

PRIVATELY.

SO WE MIGHT HAVE TO ALLOW A

HYPOCRISY IN AN ARAB COUNTRY,

BUT IF IT'S GOING TO GET THE JOB

DONE, LIKE IN THE CASE OF YEMEN,

AND YOU'LL PROBABLY AGREE WITH

THIS ONE.

>> Stephen: DON'T COUNT ON IT.

( LAUGHTER )

>> WE'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO USE

MILITARY FORCE AGAINST AN AL

QAEDA CELL IN YEMEN, AND THE

YEMENI GOVERNMENT SAYS WE CAN'T

TELL OUR PEOPLE THAT YOU DO IT,

THE UNITED STATES, WE'RE GOING

TO SAY WE'RE GOING TO DO IT, SO

WE MAY NEED TO HAVE THATÑi

CONVERSATION PRIVATELY.

IF WIKILEAKS IS GOING TO PUT IT

ALL OVER THE WORLD, MAYBE NEXT

TIME THE YEMENI GOVERNMENT WON'T

BE SO WILLING TO LET US TAKE OUT

THE TERRORISTS INSIDE YEMEN.

>> Stephen: WELL, HOW ARE THEY

GOING TO STOP US?

IF WE LOSE DIPLOMACY ALTOGETHER,

DON'T WE JUST GO BACK TO WAR,

WAR, WAR, WAR, WAR.

ISN'T THAT WHAT DIPLOMATS ARE?

THEY'RE BUMPERS BETWEEN THE TWO

WOATS OF WAR.

>> WELL, ACTUALLY SOMETIMES...

IT'S A LITTLE... IT'S A LITTLE

COMPLICATED, BUT SOMETIMES

DIPLOMACY AND FORCE GO VERY WELL

TOGETHER.

SOMETIMES YOU'RE BUILDING A

COALITION OF COUNTRIES TO HELP

YOUçó USE MILITARY FORCE.

SO, FOR EXAMPLE, WITH

AFGHANISTAN IN THE BUILDUP TO

THE WAR THERE, WE WENT AROUND

THE WORLD.

THE STATE DEPARTMENT SECRETARY

OF STATE COLIN POWELL AND GOT

OTHER COUNTRIES TO AGREE WITH US

TO USE FORCE.

PALAO, RIGHT?

COALITION OF THE WILLING?

>> SOMETIMES DIPLOMACY AND FORCE

GO TOGETHER REALLY WELL.

>> Stephen: THANK YOU SO MUCH

FOR JOINING ME, JAMES RUBIN,

FORMER ASSISTANT SECRETARY OF

STATE UNDER THE CLINTO

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