Robert Kagan

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Author Robert Kagan talks about advising Mitt Romney on foreign policy and explores America's use of military force in international affairs. (5:24)

(CHEERS AND APPLAUSE).

>> Stephen: WELCOME BACK,

EVERYBODY.

MY GUEST TONIGHT IS THE AUTHOR

OF A NEW BOOK TITLED "THE WORLD

AMERICA MADE."

ALTHOUGH FOR TECH SUPPORT YOU'RE

GOING TO WANT TO CALL INDIA.

(LAUGHTER)

PLEASE WELCOME ROBERT KAGAN.

(CHEERS AND APPLAUSE)

HEY MR. KAGAN!

THANKS FOR COMING ON.

>> THANK YOU.

>> Stephen: MAN, I AM SO HAPPY

THAT YOU'RE ON THIS SHOW BECAUSE

YOU'RE A NEOCON, RIGHTING?

>> I GUESS, THAT'S WHAT THEY

TELL ME.

>> Stephen: THAT'S WHAT THEY

TOLD ME ABOUT YOU, TOO.

>> OKAY.

>> Stephen: I MISS YOU GUYS

BECAUSE BACK IN THE EARLY... THE

EARLY 2000s DURING THE BUSH

ADMINISTRATION YOU GUYS WERE

LIKE THE CABBAGE PATCH KIDS, THE

TICKLE ME ELMO.

EVERYONE HAD TO HAVE A NEOCON ON

THEIR TEAM.

IT'S LIKE TALKING TO A

COLLECTOR'S ITEM NOW.

>> THANK YOU.

THANK YOU.

>> Stephen: YOU'RE A WHOLE

BUNCH OF DIFFERENT THINGS.

YOU'RE SENIOR FELLOW AT THE

BROOKINGS INSTITUTION, A

"WASHINGTON POST" COLUMNIST IN.

I'M SURPRISEDDED THAT LIBERAL

RAG LETS YOU WRITE OVER THERE.

YOU'RE A FOREIGN POLICY ADVISOR

TO MITT ROMNEY.

IS THAT AS SEXY AS IT SOUNDS?

(LAUGHTER)

>> I'M VERY HONORED TO BE ABLE

TO WORK AND HELP THE GOVERNOR

ANY WAY I CAN.

>> Stephen: YOU'RE ONE OF 24

GUYS ADVISING HIM ON FOREIGN

POLICY.

>> AT LEAST.

>> Stephen: BUT YOU'RE THE

BEST ONE, RIGHT?

>> I'M SURE THAT'S NOT THE CASE,

NO.

>> Stephen: COME ON!

COME ON!

ALL RIGHT YOU'VE GOT A BOOK

CALLED "THE WORLD AMERICA MADE."

WHAT IS THE WORLD AMERICA MADE?

>> WELL, IT'S THE WORLD ORDER

THAT WAS THE UNITED STATES WITH

ITS INFLUENCE AFTER WORLD WAR II

CREATED.

IT'S A LIBERAL INTERNATIONAL

ECONOMIC ORDER OF FREE AND OPEN

MARKETS.

IT'S A WORLD INCREASINGLY

DEMOCRATIC.

BEFORE WORLD WAR I THERE ARE TEN

DEMOCRACIES IN THE WORLD.

TODAY THERE ARE 115.

>> Stephen: WE DID THAT.

>> WE DID DO THAT.

(CHEERS AND APPLAUSE)

>> Stephen: APPLAUDING FOR THE

UNITED STATES.

NICE THING TO DO.

NOW THERE WERE TEN DEMOCRACIES

BEFORE THE WAR, THERE ARE 115

NOW.

DO WE GET A PIECE OF THAT

ACTION?

(LAUGHTER)

BECAUSE ROYALTIES OR ANYTHING?

BECAUSE IT'S OUR IDEA.

>> WE DIRECTLY BENEFIT FROM IT.

THERE'S NO QUESTION THAT WE ARE

A GREAT BENEFICIARY OF IT.

WE DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT

GOING TO WAR WITH DEMOCRACIES,

DEMOCRACIES ARE CLOSE ALLIES,

THEY SHARE OUR VALUES AND THEY

ARE GENERALLY VERY SUCCESSFUL

ECONOMICALLY AND HELP US IN THAT

REGARD.

>> Stephen: YOU WERE IN FAVOR

OF THE WAR IN IRAQ, RIGHT?

>> I WAS, AS WERE MANY PEOPLE.

>> Stephen: RIGHT UP HERE, BAN

BY DOLL.

HOW ABOUT IRAN?

DO WE GO IN THERE OR LET THE

ISRAELIS HAND THAT WILL ONE?

>> WELL, I DON'T WANT TO LET THE

ISRAELIS HANDLE THAT.

I DON'T THINK THEY HAVE THE

CAPACITY TO DO IT.

>> Stephen: DO NOT COUNT OUT

MY JEWISH FRIENDS.

(LAUGHTER)

THEY ARE VERY CARABLE PEOPLE.

DO NOT CROSS THEM.

>> OKAY, WELL, THEY HAVE LIMITED

MILITARY CAPACITY TO DO THAT

PARTICULAR JOB.

BUT I THINK RIGHT NOW IRAN IS

ISOLATED.

>> Stephen: WE'VE GOT TO USE

OUR MILITARY POWER TO KEEP THEM

FROM GETTING A BOMB.

YES OR NO?

>> I THINK IT COULD WELCOME TO

COME TO THAT.

>> Stephen: COULD WELL?

GROW A PAIR!

>> (LAUGHS).

>> Stephen: DO WE GO IN?

THIS AIN'T TIDDLEDY WINKS, THIS

IS NUCLEAR TIDDLEDY WINKS.

>> I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IF THE

SANCTIONS WILL WORK IN GETS THEM

TO CHANGE THEIR MINDS BEFORE WE

ARRIVE AT THAT DECISION.

IT'S A VERY COMPLICATED AFFAIR.

>> Stephen: WE CAN'T HAVE

NUCLEAR WEAPONS IN THE MIDDLE

EAST, RIGHT?

>> WELL, THERE ARE NUCLEAR

WEAPONS IN THE MIDDLE EAST.

>> Stephen: NO THERE ARE NOT.

WHERE?

>> WELL, I'M TOLD THAT ISRAEL

HAS...

>> Stephen: SHH!

I CAN NAY!

ON THE OMB-AY.

THAT'S THE ONLY HEBREW I KNOW.

>> IMPRESSIVE.

>> Stephen: IS THE YOUTH OF

MILITARY POWER IN AN ELECTED

WAY, IS THAT A FOREIGN POLICY

TOOL OR IS THAT A FOREIGN POLICY

FAILURE?

>> SOMETIMES IT'S A FAILURE AND

SOMETIMES IT'S A TOOL.

I THINK WHEN WE'RE DEALING WITH

WILL IT'S QADDAFI, THE THAT

PRESIDENT OBAMA DECIDED TO USE

MILITARY FORCE TO DESTROY

QADDAFI BECAUSE HE WAS ABOUT TO

KILL TENS OF THOUSANDS IF NOT

MORE PEOPLE.

>> Stephen: YOU'RE NOT GIVING

CREDIT TO OBAMA FOR ANYTHING

VERY R YOU?

>> I DO.

>> Stephen: HOW CAN YOU ADVISE

ROMNEY AND LIKE ANYTHING OBAMA

DID?

(LAUGHTER)

>> I THINK WHEN THE PRESIDENT

DOES THE RIGHT THING IT DOESN'T

MATTER WHAT PARTY YOU'RE IN.

>> Stephen: BUT THE PRESIDENT

HAS DONE NOTHING RIGHT IN

FOREIGN POLICY, OKAY?

(LAUGHTER)

BIN LADEN?

DOESN'T COUNT.

(LAUGHTER)

KILLING AL-AWLAKI DOESN'T COUNT.

QADDAFI DOESN'T COUNT.

SUPPORTING THE ARAB SPRING

DOESN'T COUNT.

SO WHAT ELSE HAS HE DONE.

(LAUGHTER)

>> HE'S DONE SOME THINGS WRONG

H. HE HAS A GOOD POLICY IN AREA,

PARTICULARLY IN DEALING WITH

CHINA.

I THINK HE'S STRENGTHENED OUR

POSITION IN ASIA WITH OUR

ALLIES.

ON SOME ISSUES HE'S BEEN A LOT

WEAKER.

ON IRAN I THINK HE WILL BE

JUDGED ULTIMATELY BY WHAT

HAPPENS WITH IRAN.

>> Stephen: WHAT DO YOU THINK

IS GOING TO HAPPEN BETWEEN THE

UNITED STATES AND MONOMONACO

NOW?

>> AFTER THE BEATDOWN?

>> AFTER THE BEAT DONE THAT HOCK

GAVE TO PRINCESS WHAT'S HIS

PANTS.

(LAUGHTER)

>> THIS IS ONE OF THE GREAT

THINGS ABOUT BEING A STRONG

POWER.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT MONACO CAN DO

ABOUT IT.

>> Stephen: DO THEY HAVE

NUKES?

>> NOT THAT THEY'VE

ACKNOWLEDGED.

>> Stephen: MUCH LIKE ISRAEL.

(LAUGHTER)

WELL, THANK YOU SO MUCH.

ROBERT KAGAN.

(CHEERS AND APPLAUSE)

THE BOOK IS "THE WORLD AMERICA

MADE."

YOU'RE WELCOME, WORLD.

WE MADE YOU.

WE'LL BE RIGHT

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