Andrew Bacevich

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Vietnam veteran Andrew Bacevich discusses his book, "Breach of Trust: How Americans Failed Their Soldiers and Their Country." (5:30)

>> WELCOME BACK.

>> RESULTING AND HE THINKSTHAT'S A BAD THING.

PLEASE WELCOME ANDREWBACEVICH.

WRING THANK YOU FOR COMINGON, GOOD TO SEE YOU, WELCOME

BACK.

>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

>> FOR PROFESSOR OF HISTORYAND INTERNATIONAL RELATIONS

IN BOSTON UNIVERSITY,VIETNAM VET, 23 YEARS 6

MILITARY SERVICE, RETIREDARMY CONTINENTAL EL AND A

NEW BOOK CALLED BREACH OFTRUST.

HOW AMERICANS FAILED THEIRSOLDIERS AND THEIR COUNTRY.

ALL RIGHT, THIS SOUNDS LIKEYOU'RE NOT IN FAVOR OF

MILITARY INTERVENTION INOTHER COUNTRIES TO SOLVE THE

WORLD'S PROBLEMS BY THEUNITED STATES.

>> I'M IN FAVOR OF MILITARYINTERVENTION WHERE IT MAKES

SENSE.

>> Stephen: SYRIA.

>> NO.

>> Stephen: LET'S BRINGTHOSE PEOPLE TO THE

BOOM-BOOM ROOM.

(LAUGHTER)>> WELL, IF WE ACTUALLY

CARED ABOUT THE SYRIANPEOPLE, I'M NOT SURE THAT

DUMPING MISSILES ON DAMASCUSIS GOING TO DO MUCH TO

ALLEVIATED-- .

>> Stephen: TARGETED STRIKE,SMART BOMB.

>> THE PEOPLE SUFFERING AREIN REFUGEE CAMPS.

>> Stephen: DON'T BOMB THEREFUGEE CAMPS.

>> I'M WITH YOU.

>> Stephen: I WILL GO OUT ONA LIMB AND SAY THAT.

BUT YOU'VE GONE SO FAR AS TOSAY THAT YOU DONE THINK,

TELL ME IF I GET THIS WRONG,THAT ANY MILITARY

INTERVENTION BY AMERICA OVERTHE LAST 30 YEARS HAS BEEN

WORTHWHILE, THAT THEY'VEBEEN A WASTE.

>> BY AND LARGE, IF WE THINKABOUT THE WAR FOR THE MIDDLE

EAST, WE'VE BEEN ENGAGED INA WAR WITH THE MIDDLE EAST

FOR 30 YEARS.

>> Stephen: THIS DOESN'TINCLUDE VET NAM, VIETNAM WAS

WORTH IT.

>> NO, THAT WAS ALSO AWAISMTS I WAS THERE.

>> Stephen: YOU WERE THERE,OKAY.

>> BUT MORE RECENTLY OUREFFORTS TO USE OUR POWER TO

STABILIZE THE REGIONS, TODEMOCRATIZE THE REGION, TO

MAKE THE PEOPLE IN THEREGION LOVE US, IT AIN'T

WORKED.

AND SO TO IMAGINE THATOPENING UP A NEW FRONT ON

THIS WAR IN SYRIA, ANDYOU'RE-- TO THINK YOU'LL GET

A DIFFERENT OUTCOME, I JUSTDON'T THINK SO.

>> Stephen: BUT DO WE WANTTHEM TO LOVE US.

DON'T WE ALSO WANT THEM TOFEAR US BECAUSE THEN THEY

WILL RESPECT US.

>> THESE ARE COUNTRIES FULLOF, BAD MEN, DOING BAD

THINGS, DON'T WE, YOU KNOW,ISN'T OUR RESPONSIBILITY TO

SEND IN MILITARY FORCE WITHTHE CHILDREN OF PEOPLE I

DON'T KNOW?

>> WELL, IF OUR EFFORTSACTUALLY CAUSE THEM TO

RESPECT US OR EVEN TO FEARUS, THEN YOU COULD ARGUE

THAT MAYBE WHAT MAKES SENSEBUT THAT'S NOT BEEN THE

OUTCOME.

YOU ALSO HAVE TO REMEMBERTHAT THE PEOPLE WE ARE

SENDING IN, THAT IS TO SAYOUR SOLDIERS PAY A HORRIFIC

COST FOR THE WARS THATWASHINGTON DECIDES WE MUST

FIGHT, 1 PERCENT BEARS THEBURDEN OF SERVICE AND

SACRIFICE.

99% OF THE REST OF US WATCHWHETHER THAT IS DEMOCRATIC,

WHETHER THAT IS MORAL.

>> Stephen: DO YOU THINK OURPRESENT MILITARY SYSTEM IS

DEMOCRATIC.

>> I THINK IT ISFUNDAMENTALLY UNDEMOCRATIC.

>> IF OUR MILITARY SYSTEM ISUNDEMOCRATIC, MY, YOU KNOW,

MY INSTINCT IS TO HAVE OURMILITARY INVADE OUR MILITARY

SYSTEM TO BRING DEMOCRACYHERE.

(LAUGHTER)(CHEERS AND APPLAUSE)

>> I THINK THE ANSWER IS TOHAVE THE PEOPLE IN-- TO

BRING DEM OCTOBERTEE-- DEMOCRACY TO OUR

MILITARY SYSTEM.

>> Stephen: ARE NEW FAVOR OFA DRAFT.

>> I'M IN FAVOR OF EVERY18-YEAR-OLD SHOULD OWE

SERVICE TO THE COUNTRY, THECOMMUNITY, SOME SERVE IN THE

MILITARY, OTHER SERVE INOTHER CAPACITY.

>> Stephen: OF THE PEOPLEWITHOUT JUST CLAPPED, HOW

MANY OF YOU ARE 18?

HA, HA, HA.

YEAH.

YAY!

MAKE THEM GO.

OKAY.

BUT THE PEOPLE WOULD FREAKOUT, RIGHT.

IF YOU DID THAT, IF YOUINTRODUCED LEGISLATION

SAYING AMERICANS MUST DO X,Y OR Z, DON'T YOU THINK ME

AND MY BUDDIES IN THE TEAPARTY ARE GOING TO SAY

GOVERNMENT INTERFERENCE ANDTHE PEOPLE ON THE LEFT ARE

GOING TO SAY BUT THEY NEEDTO DO THE COMMUNITY SERVICE

TO GET THEM INTO COLLEGE.

I MEAN -->> THERE'S NO QUESTION THAT

IT'S GOING TO BE A TOUGHSELL.

THE WAY TO MAKE THE SALE ISTO PERSUADE PEOPLE THAT OUR

CURRENT DEFINITION OFCITIZENSHIP IS INSIP I HAD,

IT'S THIN.

I AM OWED PREROGATIVE, IHAVE NO OBLIGATION.

WE NEED TO MOVE TO ACONCEPTION OF CITIZENSHIP

THAT PROVIDES PREROGATIVES,PRIVILEGES BUT ALSO ENTABLES

OBLIGATION.

>> Stephen: DO YOU HAVE APROBLEM WITH WHAT YOU CALL

THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICETYPES, WHAT DOW MEAN, PEOPLE

COME AND SAY THANK YOU FORYOUR SERVICE.

BY THE WAY, THANK YOU FORYOUR SERVICE.

(LAUGHTER)AND I KNOW YOU MEAN IT.

>> UH-HUH.

BUT I THINK THERE IS ASERIOUS QUESTION TO BE ASKED,

WHAT DOES THANKING SOLDIERSFOR THEIR SERVICE ENTAIL ON

THE PART OF THE REST OF US?

AND IT OUGHT TO ENTAILSOMETHING MORE THAN SIMPLY

SAYING THANKS OR PUTTING ABUMPER STICKER ON YOUR CAR.

>> BETTER YOU THAN ME.

>> WELL, I THINK TO SOMEDEGREE THAT'S THE

IMPLICATION, THE UNSPOKENIMPLICATION, BETTER YOU THAN

ME.

BUT IT OUGHT TO BE US.

THE ARMY OUGHT TO BE THEPEOPLE'S ARMY.

WE SHOULD REINSTITUTE ATRADITION OF CITIZEN

SOLDIERS.

>> Stephen: BUT IF EVERYONEWOULD GO INTO THE ARMY, I

THINK WE WOULD DO WHAT YOUARE SAYING AND NOT SEND KIDS

OFF TO WARS.

>> YES.

(CHEERS AND APPLAUSE)>> Stephen: MR. BACEVICH,

ANDREW BACEVICH, BREACH OFTRUST.

WE'LL BE RIGHT BACK.

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