Jeffrey Goldberg

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Jeffrey Goldberg says bad things could come from a decision, either by Israel or the US, to bomb Iran. (6:26)

MY GUEST TONIGHT IS A NATIONAL

CORRESPONDENT FOR "THE ATLANTIC"

MAGAZINE, AND HE IS HERE TO

DISCUSS THE NEXT POTENTIAL WAR

IN THE MIDEAST.

I HOPE IT'S THE ONE WHERE JESUS

COMES BACK.

PLEASE WELCOME JEFFREY GOLDBERG.

[CHEERS AND APPLAUSE]

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

MR. GOLDBERG, THANKS FOR COMING

ON.

NOW, SIR, YOU JUST SAW A LITTLE

DIORAMA BATTLE THAT I HAD OVER

THERE.

IRAN IS CLEARLY A THREAT,

CORRECT?

>> CORRECT.

>> Stephen: CORRECT.

NOW YOU'VE GOT THIS ARTICLE HERE

IN "THE ATLANTIC" MAGAZINE.

AND IT IS CALLED "ISRAEL IS

GETTING READY TO BOMB IRAN: HOW,

WHY AND WHAT IT MEANS."

OKAY.

WHY?

HOW?

HOW ARE THEY GOING TO DO IT?

>> WITH AIRPLANES THAIMP GOING

TO USE THEIR AIR FORCE.

>> Stephen: WHY?

>> BECAUSE IRAN THEY THINK POSES

AN EXISTENTIAL THREAT.

>> Stephen: WHAT DOES IT MEAN?

>> PROBABLY A SERIES OF PRETTY

BAD THINGS FOR ALL PARTIES

INVOLVED, IRAN, ISRAEL...

>> Stephen: WE'RE FOR IRAN

BECAUSE IRAN IS PUSHING THE

WORLD'S BUTTON BY THREATENING TO

PUSH THEIR BUTONS.

IRAN SAID ISRAEL IS...

>> WHOSE BUTTONS?

>> Stephen: THEY'RE PUSHING

OUR EMOTIONAL BUTTONS BY

THREATNING TO PUSH THEIR

BUTTONS.

ISRAEL SEES IT AS A THREAT

BECAUSE IRAN HAS SAID THEIR GOAL

IS TO WIPE ISRAEL OFF THE MAP.

>> WELL, THE ISRAELI CALCULUS IS

VERY SIMPLE.

IRAN SAYS THEY SEEK THE

DESTRUCTION OF ISRAEL.

THEY ARE TRYING TO GAIN NUCLEAR

WEAPONS.

THIS IS WHAT MOST OF THE WORLD

BELIEVES.

ONE PLUS ONE EQUALS TWO TO THE

ISRAELIS.

WE CAN'T LET THIS COUNTRY

DEVELOP A NUCLEAR WEAPON IF THEY

SEEK OUR DESTRUCTION.

NOW, OBVIOUSLY IRAN POSES

THREATS TO OTHER AREAS OF THE

MIDDLE EAST.

THEY POSE A NATIONAL SECURITY

THREAT TO THE UNITED STATES.

THEY'RE A DECLARED ENEMY OF THE

UNITED STATES, BUT FOR ISRAEL,

THEY FEEL BECAUSE OF THEIR

HISTORY, BECAUSE OF THEIR

LOCATION, BECAUSE OF THEIR

VULNERABILITY, THEY FEEL IT'S AN

USUALLY URGENT THREAT.

>> Stephen: FOR SOME REASON

THEY'RE PARANOID ABOUT PEOPLE

WHO WANT THEM DEAD HAVING A

NUCLEAR BOMB.

>> RIGHT.

>> Stephen: WHY SHOULDN'T

ISRAEL GO IN THERE RIGHT NOW?

A FORMER U.N. AMBASSADOR AND

PRESENT WALRUS, JOHN BOLTON

EIGHT DAYS AGO... SORRY, SEVEN

DAYS AGO SAID THAT WE HAD EIGHT

DAYS TO BOMB IRAN.

OKAY.

WE GOT ONE DAY LEFT.

>> ONE DAY LEFT.

>> Stephen: ONE DAY LEFT TO

BOMB IRAN.

>> IT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN.

>> Stephen: IT'S NOT GOING TO

HAPPEN.

BUT WHY SHOULDN'T THEY BOMB

IRAN?

THIS IS LIKE THE CUBAN MISSILE

CRISIS.

KENNEDY SAID GET THEM OUT OF

THERE OR WE'RE GOING TOE TO TOE.

>> BUT THE CUBAN MISSILE CRISIS

ENDED WITHOUT ATTACK.

>> Stephen: BUT THE RUSSIANS

ARE, COMPARABLELY SPEAKING,

FRIENDS COMPARED THE IRAN.

>> I DON'T THINK EITHER OF US

WERE ALIVE THEN, BUT I DON'T

THINK...

>> I WAS BORN FOR ABOUT 30

YEARS.

THE RUSSIANS AREN'T CRAZY.

MAHMOUD AHMADINEJAD IS WAITING

FOR THE 12th IMAM TO COME.

>> WE THOUGHT THE RUSSIANS WERE

CRAZY AT THE TIME.

WHEN YOU HAVE A RELIGIOUS

LEADERSHIP THAT THEY'RE SEEKING

THE AFTER LIFE, THEY THINK THE

AFTER LIFE WILL BE BETTER THAN

THIS LIFE...

>> Stephen: THE WRONG

RELIGIOUS LEADERSHIP SEEKING THE

WRONG AFTER LIFE.

>> I'M NOT GOING TO GO THERE.

>> Stephen: I JUST WENT THERE.

THERE'S NO ROOM FOR YOU THERE.

>> I SUGGEST YOU DON'T GO THERE.

THAT'S ANOTHER ISSUE.

THE POINT IS, YES, ON THE ONE

HAND, THEY'RE UNSTABLE, CRAZY

LEADERSHIP.

ON THE OTHER HAND, BAD THINGS

WOULD FLOW FROM A DECISION TO

BOMB IRAN, EITHER BY ISRAEL OR

BY THE UNITED STATES.

>> Stephen: WHAT ARE WE DOING

RIGHT NOW?

WHAT'S OBAMA DOING?

HE SEEMS PRETTY WEEK ON THIS.

>> NO, NO, NO.

OBAMA HASN'T MET ANYBODY, BUT

HE'S ACTUALLY IN MY PERSONAL

OPINION, HE'S BEEN STRONG ON

THIS ISSUE, VERY STRONG IN FACT.

HE HAS A VERY DELIBERATE PLAN IN

PLACE TO SEEK ENGAGEMENT ON THE

ONE HAND AND USE SANCTIONS AND

PRETTY STRONG MULTILATERAL

SANCTIONS AGAINST IRAN TO TRY TO

CONCENTRATE THEIR ATTENTION ON

THIS.

AND FOCUS THEIR ATTENTION ON THE

FACT THAT IF THEY GIVE UP THIS

PATH, IF THEY STOP SEEKING

NUCLEAR WEAPONS, GOOD THINGS

WILL HAPPEN TO THEM, I THINK

HE'S ON A VERY TOUGH PATH.

>> Stephen: WHO ARE THE OTHER

PEOPLE, WHO ARE THE OTHER PEOPLE

ON HERE?

>> EUROPE, RUSSIANS.

>> Stephen: RUSSIA JUST GAVE

THEM NUCLEAR RODS.

>> THOSE NUCLEAR RODS DON'T

MATTER AS MUCH AS SOME OF THE

OTHER ASPECTS OF THIS PROGRAM,

I'M SORRY TO SAY.

>> Stephen: I'M SORRY YOU'RE

WRONG.

HE'S LIKE BEING THE REASONABLE

ONE.

HE'S LIKE SAYING, IT'S LIKE GOOD

COP, BAD COP.

>> WHO?

>> Stephen: OBAMA.

HEY, LET'S JUST DO THESE

SANCTIONS.

YOU DON'T WANT MY BUDDY IN

ISRAEL, BECAUSE THEY ARE SUPER

ANGRY CRAZY JEWS WHO ARE GOING

TO COME AFTER YOU GUYS WITH A

SHARPENED KNIFE.

THEY CUT OFF THE TIPS OF THEIR

OWN PENISES.

IMAGINE WHAT THEY'LL DO TO

YOURS.

YOU DON'T WANT THAT.

[CHEERS AND APPLAUSE]

IS THAT IT?

DON'T MARK ME COME OUT OF THE

DOGHOUSE?

>> YEAH, UH, YEAH.

THAT WAS GOOD.

THE CIRCUMCISION TACTIC IS

SMART.

BUT EVEN SMARTER WOULD BE

ALLOWING THE SANCTIONS REGIME

THE TAKE ITS TOLL ON THE IRANIAN

ECONOMY.

>> Stephen: HOW LONG WE GOT?

HOW LONG WE GOT?

>> WE GOT THE SECRETARY OF

DEFENSE, ROBERT GATES, SAYS

PROBABLY A YEAR.

WE PROBABLY HAVE A YEAR.

SO THIS IS NOT AROUND THE

CORNER, IT'S AROUND THE NEXT

CORNER.

>> Stephen: THAT'S NOTHING.

NOTHING.

A YEAR IS NOTHING.

>> IT IS NOT NOTHING.

I MEAN, --

>> Stephen: YOU'RE BENJI

NETANYAHU.

>> BENJI.

>> Stephen: BENJI.

HE'S A FRIEND.

I CAN CALL HIM THAT.

FRIEND OF THE SHOW.

WOULD YOU WAIT A YEAR?

>> IF I'M HIM?

>> Stephen: YEAH.

>> I WAIT A YEAR.

>> Stephen: WHAT IF HE'S HIM?

>> IF HE'S HIM, HE WAITS A YEAR

BECAUSE HE DOESN'T WANT TO DO

ANYTHING TO UNDERMINE AMERICAN

SECURITY IN THE MIDDLE EAST.

IF THIS WAS GOING TO HELP

AMERICAN SECURITY IN THE SHORT

TERM, HE WOULD PROBABLY HAVE

DONE IT ALREADY, BUT HE DOESN'T

WANT TO UNDERMINE AMERICAN

SECURITY.

ON THE OTHER HAND, HE WANTS HIS

COUNTRY TO SURVIVE.

THIS JUST HIS THINKING.

HE WANTS HIS COUNTRY TO SURVIVE.

IF HE FEELS HIS COUNTRY'S

SURVIVAL IS IN DOUBT, HE WILL

ACT.

FOR NOW HE'S PUT HIS FAITH IN

BARACK OBAMA AND HE HAS SAID

PRESIDENT OBAMA HAS PLAN IN

PLACE AND THEY'RE GOING TO TRY

TO WORK THIS PLAN.

>> Stephen: SO I'M GUESSING HE

DOESN'T THINK OBAMA IS A MUSLIM.

[LAUGHTER]

>> OBAMA, HE DOES NOT THINK THAT

AND OBAMA IS NOT A MUSLIM.

>> Stephen: WE'LL FIND OUT IN

THE NEXT YEAR.

THANK YOU SO MUCH.

JEFFREY GOLDBERG, THE ATLANTIC

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