Jeremy Scahill

  • Aired:  07/15/13
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Author Jeremy Scahill discusses the secret war in Afghanistan, drone strikes in Pakistan and Yemen and the Obama administration's "Terror Tuesday" meetings. (5:24)

[ CHEERS AND APPLAUSE ]

>> Stephen: WELCOME BACK,

EVERYBODY.

MY GUEST TONIGHT AS A BOOK AND A

DOCUMENTARY CALLED "DIRTY WARS."

ABOUT AMERICA'S COVERT MILITARY

OPERATIONS.

IT'S AN HONOR TO BE THE LAST

PERSON TO SEE HIM ALIVE.

PLEASE WELCOME JEREMY SCAHILL.

[ CHEERS AND APPLAUSE ]

GOOD TO SEE YOU, SIR.

ALL RIGHT, SIR, YOU ARE NATIONAL

SECURITY CORRESPONDENT FOR THE

NATION MAGAZINE.

YOU'RE THE AUTHOR OF "DIRTY

WARS" THE WORLD IS A

BATTLEFIELD.

YOU ARE ALSO COWRITER AND

PRODUCER OF "DIRTY WARS" THE

MOVIE WHICH BLEW UP AT SUN DANCE

THIS YEAR.

OKAY.

YOU SAY WE'RE IN SOME DECLARED

SOME UNDECLARED WARS AND THAT

SOMEHOW IS A BAD THING.

OKAY.

THE WORLD IS A DANGEROUS PLACE,

SIR.

YOU KNOW THAT.

>> IF WHAT WE WERE DOING WAS

KILLING LEGITIMATE TERRORISTS.

>> Stephen: WHICH WE ARE.

NO QUESTION.

Stephen: THANK YOU FOR

JOINING US.

OKAY.

>> A LOT OF THE ACTIONS THOUGH

THAT ARE TAKING PLACE AROUND THE

WORLD PARTICULARLY IN THE

UNDECLARED WARS BUT ALSO IN A

SECRET WAR WITHIN AFGHANISTAN AS

CONCEALED BY THE BIGGER WAR,

WE'RE DOING NIGHT RAIDS, WE'RE

KILLING A TREMENDOUS NUMBER OF

INNOCENT CIVILIANS.

>> Stephen: WHAT DO YOU MEAN?

I HAVEN'T HEARD MUCH ABOUT THAT.

>> I WAS ON THE GROUND IN YEMEN,

AFGHANISTAN AND SOMALIA AND I

WENT TO VILLAGES WHERE ONE OF

THE FIRST STRIKES PRESIDENT

OBAMA AUTHORIZED IN YEMEN KILLED

46 PEOPLE.

14 WOMEN AND 21 CHILDREN.

WHO WAS THE TARGET IN THAT

ACCIDENT IN THE WHITE HOUSE HAS

NOT PROVIDED ANY INFORMATION.

WE SAY IF YOU'RE A MILITARY AGE

MALE IN A CERTAIN REGION OF THIS

COUNTRY WE'RE GOING TO KILL YOU

AND LATER SAY YOU WERE A

TERRORIST WITHOUT EVER PROVIDING

ANY INFORMATION THAT YOU WERE

ACTUALLY INVOLVED.

>> THEY HAD INFORMATION ON THESE

PEOPLE.

THEY JUST CAN'T TELL US.

>> THAT'S NOT TRUE.

Stephen: HOW DO YOU KNOW

THAT?

THEY'RE TELLING US THAT THEY

HAVE IT.

WAIT.

THEY SAY THAT THEY HAVE IT.

BUT THEM CAN'T TELL US BECAUSE

THEN THE ENEMY WILL KNOW THE

MEANS BY WHICH THEY GOT THAT

INFORMATION.

>> SO YOU HAVE AN UNDYING FAITH

IN THE OBAMA ADMINISTRATION'S

ABILITY TO TELL THE TRUTH ON

THESE ISSUES?

>> Stephen: NO, NO.

I BELIEVE IN OUR TROOPS.

>> THIS ISN'T ABOUT A TROOPS.

Stephen: IT IS IS ABOUT THE

TROOPS.

>> THIS IS ABOUT ANALYSTS

SITTING IN TRAILER IN THE

SOUTHWEST OF THE UNITED STATES

OPERATING DRONES THAT ARE

BOMBING PAKISTAN AND YEMEN.

>> Stephen: ARE YOU SAYING THAT

AN UNMANNED DRONE IS NOT A

TROOP?

IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.

>> THEY TRIED TO MAKE A MEDAL

FOR DRONE PILOTS AND IT WAS

RESCINDED BY THE DEFENSE

SECRETARY.

THE TROOPS DISAGREE WITH YOUR

POSITION THAT A DRONE IS A

TROOF.

>> Stephen: I GUESS I SUPPORT

MORE OF THE TROOPS THAN THE DRONES

DO.

OKAY.

WAIT A SECOND HERE.

SO WHAT IS YOUR ANSWER?

WE FIND OUT THAT THERE IS

SOMEBODY IN YEMEN WE THINK IS

DOING... PLANNING SOMETHING

NASTY FOR US.

POSSIBLE HOSTILE INTENT.

WHAT DO WE DO AGAIN?

WHAT ARE WE SUPPOSED TO DO?

LET'S HEAR IT.

>> FIRST OF ALL WE CAN INDICT

THEM AND DEMAND THEIR

EXTRADITION.

>> Stephen: LIKE A COURT.

THAT USED TO BE HOW WE DID

IT.

>> Stephen: THEY'RE PLANNING

OVER THERE.

>> OSAMA BIN LADEN WAS INDICTED.

Stephen: WITH A BULLET IN HIS

EYE.

THAT'S HOW HE WAS INDICTED.

CAN WE DO THAT?

ARE YOU OKAY WITH THE BIN LADEN

THING.

>> THE STANDARD SHOULD BE IF

SOMEONE IS POSING AN IMMINENT

THREAT.

>> Stephen: THEY ARE!

CAPTURE IS NOT FEASIBLE.

WHAT YOU'RE DEFENDING, STEPHEN,

IS THIS GROTESQUE FORM OF

PRE-CRIME THAT YOU REPRESENT AN

IMMINENT THREAT TO THE NATIONAL

SECURITY OF THE UNITED STATES.

>> Stephen: LET'S ROLE PLAY.

A GUY NAMED, LET'S CALL IT

ABDUL.

HE'S IN YEMEN.

HE'S NOT FROM THERE.

WE'VE SEEN HIM MEET WITH

SOMEBODY BEFORE.

HE'S SAYING BAD THINGS ABOUT THE

UNITED STATES.

HE'S ENCOURAGING PEOPLE TO

ATTACK US EVEN IF HE'S NOT

COMING HIMSELF.

WHAT'S... WE INDICT HIM AND THEN

WHAT HAPPENS?

>> WAIT A MINUTE.

YOU'RE SAYING THAT SOMEONE IS

SAYING BAD THINGS ABOUT THE

UNITED STATES.

HE WAS AN AMERICAN CITIZEN.

>> Stephen: WAS.

NOW HE'S A VAPOR TRIAL.

>> PRESIDENT OBAMA SEARCHED AS

JUDGE, JURY AND EXECUTIONER.

>> Stephen: YOU LEFT OUT

COMMANDER IN CHIEF.

>> HE'S ALSO THE COMMANDER IN

CHIEF.

IF YOU FAST FORWARD TO THE DEATH

PENALTY WITHOUT AN INDICTMENT.

IF AN AMERICAN CITIZEN IS GOING

TO BE EXECUTED ON ORDERS OF A

PRESIDENT THE GOVERNMENT HAS A

BURDEN TO SHOW EVIDENCE AGAINST

HIM.

>> Stephen: YOU DON'T KNOW THAT

HE'S NOT A THREAT.

THEY SAY HE'S AN I AM NET

THREAT.

>> ONLY BY EDICT.

Stephen: HOWEVER YOU SAY IT,

I DON'T CARE WHAT LANGUAGE YOU

SAY IT IN, YOU JUST SAY IT.

>> IT DOESN'T TROUBLE YOU THAT

THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED

STATES IS ASSERTING THE RIGHT TO

KILL AMERICAN CITIZENS WITHOUT

ANY ACTUAL EVIDENCE FOR

INDICTING THEM AT ALL.

>> Stephen: I'M NOT ON THE LIST.

HOW DO YOU KNOW.

I MEAN, I WATCH THIS SHOW.

YOU COULD BE ON THE LIST.

>> Stephen: IS IT HARD TO GET ON

THE LIST?

>> THAT'S PART OF THE THING.

THEY MEET EVERY TUESDAY IN THESE

TERROR TUESDAY MEETINGS.

>> Stephen: REALLY TERROR

TUESDAY?

DO THEY SERVE TALK OWES?

YOU GET ON THE LIST AND THEN CAN

YOU GET OFF THE LIST.

>> ONLY FROM A DRONE STRIKE IT

SEEMS.

>> Stephen: THANK YOU SO MUCH.

FOR JOINING ME.

I HAVE TO CATCH A CAB.

JEREMY SCAHILL.

THE BOOK IS "DIRTY W

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