Doris Kearns Goodwin

  • Aired:  11/07/12
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Pulitzer Prize winner Doris Kearns Goodwin tells one of Abraham Lincoln's dirty stories and quotes some of history's presidential losers. (4:58)

( CHEERS AND APPLAUSE ).

>> Stephen: WELCOME BACK, EVERYBODY.

MY GUEST TONIGHT IS A PRESIDENTIAL HISTORIAN.

I'LL ASK HER WHY OBAMA ISN'T HISTORY YET.

PLEASE WELCOME DORIS KEARNS GOODWIN!

( CHEERS AND APPLAUSE ) DORIS, GOOD TO SEE YOU AGAIN.

THANKS FOR COMING BACK.

ALWAYS A PLEASURE TO HAVE YOU ON.

>> THANK YOU, SIR.

>> Stephen: NOW THIS IS A BIG HIGH TIME FOR YOU PRESIDENTIAL HISTORIANS, RIGHT?

>> BIG TIME, BIG, BIG TIME.

>> Stephen: NOW YOU KNOW WHICH SORT OF PRESIDENTIAL LEGO TO SNAP INTO THE NEXT FOUR YEARS

OF OF THE-- OF THE BIG SORT OF PICTURE YOU'RE MAKING OF AMERICAN HISTORY.

NOW YOU'RE PERHAPS MOST FAMOUS FOR WRITING THE BOOK THAT OBAMA SAID HE WOULD BRING INTO THE

OVAL OFFICE IF HE COULD ONLY BRING THE BIBLE AND ONE OTHER BOOK.

IT'S "TEAM OF RIVALS."

>> GOT IT.

>> Stephen: ABOUT LINCOLN AND HIS, YOU KNOW, CONFLICTED CABINET.

IT'S OUT RIGHT NOW IN PAPERBACK BECAUSE IT IS ONE OF THE BOOKS THAT THE MOVIE "PLIRCHGON" BY

SPIELBERG IS BASED ON.

YOU GOT THE DANIEL DAY LEWIS ON THE COVER.

>> HE'S SEXY, DON'T YOU THINK?

>> Stephen: YOU MEAN, LINCOLN OR DANIEL DAY LEWIS?

WAS LINCOLN SEXY?

>> I THINK SO.

AND I'VE BEEN SAYING IT FOR YEARS, BUT EVERYBODY THOUGHT I WAS CRAZY.

BUT NOW, THERE'S THE PROOF.

>> Stephen: YEAH.

OKAY.

>> HE WAS FUNNY, TOO.

YOU WOULD HAVE LOVED HIM.

>> Stephen: LINCOLN?

>> YEAH.

HE TOLD DIRTY STORIES ALL THE TIME.

YEAH ( LAUGHTER )

>> Stephen: CAN I HEAR ONE?

( APPLAUSE )

>> ACTUALLY, THERE'S ONE THAT'S IN THE MOVIE.

>> Stephen: OH, YEAH.

>> HE TELLS THIS STORY ABOUT THIS GUY NAMED ETHAN ALLEN, A REVOLUTIONARY WAR HERO-- ONE OF

YOUR GUYS.

HE GOES TO ENGLAND AFTER THE WAR AND THEY WANT TO EMBARRASS HIM AND THEY PUT A PICTURE OF GEORGE

WASHINGTON IN THE ONLY OUTHOUSE AND HE COMES OUT AND IS NOT UPSET AT ALL.

DIDN'T YOU SEE GEORGE WASHINGTON?

OH, YES.

A PERFECTLY APPROPRIATE PLACE.

WHAT DO YOU MEAN?

WELL, THERE'S NOTHING TO MAKE AN ENGLISHMAN ( BLEEP ) FASTER THAN THE PICTURE OF GEORGE WASHINGTON.

HE HAD HUNDREDS.

HE COULD TELL THESE ON A DIME.

HE FHE COULD BE HERE, YOU WOULD LOVE HIM.

>> Stephen: WHAT HAPPENED TO HIM?

( LAUGHTER ) I'D LOVE TO HAVE HIM ON.

NO, EVERY PRESIDENT-- EVERY PRESIDENTUE SAID EVERY PRESIDENT SORT OF SEES THEMSELVES IN A

HISTORICAL CONTEXT, COMPARES THEMSELVES TO A PREDECESSOR IN THE WHITE HOUSE.

WHO-- WHO DO YOU THINK HE IS IF YOU'RE GOING TO COMPARE HIM TO SOMEONE EARLIER, OBAMA, TO SOME

EARLIER PRESIDENT, AND THEN WHO DOES HE THINK HE IS?

>> WELL, THERE'S NO QUESTION ONCE THEY GET IN THE WHITE HOUSE, IT'S THE ONLY CONTEST LEFT.

WHERE DO YOU FIT IN HISTORY?

YOU WALK AROUND AND YOU SEE ALL THOSE PICTURES.

DO YOU WANT TO BE MILLIARD FILLMORE, FRANKLIN PIERCE?

NO.

YOU WANT TO BE LINCOLN.

YOU WANT TO BE F.D.R.

YOU WANT TO BE ROOSEVELT.

AND I THINK HE SEES HIMSELF AS A FIGURE IN HISTORY.

AND THAT'S A GOOD THING.

IT MEANS HE WANTS TO BE REMEMBERED IN TIME FOR HAVING DONE THINGS THAT MATTER, FOR

HAVING CHANGED AMERICA IN A GOOD WAY.

YOU WANT A PRESIDENT IN THERE TO DO THAT.

YOU DON'T WANT HIM TO FLOAT AROUND TO "HAIL TO THE CHIEF "AND GO OUT AFTER FOUR YEARS, RIGHT.

THE EXPRESSION ON YOUR FACE SAYS NO.

>> Stephen: I WANT OBAMA TO GO OUT AFTER FOUR YEARS FOR ANY REASON AT ALL.

>> ARE YOU REALLY SAD?

>> Stephen: WELL...

( LAUGHTER ) I DON'T KNOW.

I'M DISAPPOINTED IN, YOU KNOW, THEM.

THE THEY.

>> THE PEOPLE.

>> Stephen: THE PEOPLE, THAT THEY VOTED FOR HIM.

THEY BOUGHT LIE.

>> CAN I SING A SONG TO MAKE YOU FEEL BETTER?

♪ HAPPY DAYS ARE HERE AGAIN ♪ ♪.

>> Stephen: THAT'S A DEMOCRAT SONG.

>> ♪ GET ON A RAFT WITH TAFT ♪.

>> Stephen: ISN'T?

THAT SONG, ISN'T TAFT THE RAFT HIMSELF?

>> HE WEIGHED 330 POUNDS SO IT WOULD BE RACKETER SCARY TO BE ON A RAFT WITH HIM.

>> Stephen: IT WOULD BE A DANGEROUS RAFT, EXACTLY.

>> I DON'T THINK I'M MAKING YOU HAPPY, THOUGH.

>> Stephen: YOU ALWAYS MAKE ME HAPPY BEING HERE.

WHAT'S THE DAY LIKE FOR THE GUY AFTER HE LOSES.

LAST NIGHT IT WAS PROBABLY NONE COMPUS MENTIS.

WHAT IS THE DAY LIKE FOR THE LOSER?

>> I KNOW BECAUSE I LIVED WITH MANY OF THESE DEAD PRESIDENTS BECAUSE I-- WELL THEY'RE NOT PRESIDENTS.

NIXON SAID HE COULDN'T SLEEP FOR DAYS.

HE SAID, "WHAT IF I HADN'T AGREED TO DEBATE THAT GUY?

WHAT IF I HADN'T HAD THE STUPID MAKEUP MISSING ON MY SALLOW FACE." AND SIMILARLY I'M SURE ROMNEY

SAID, WHAT IF I HADN'T DONE BOCA ROTAN.

>> Stephen: WHAT IF I HADN'T TOLD ANYBODY WHAT MY PLANS WERE.

DORIS, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR JOINING ME.

DORIS KEARNS GOODWIN, "TEAM OF RIVALS," SEXY

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