David Folkenflik

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"Murdoch's World" author David Folkenflik talks about Rupert Murdoch's media empire, his influence on world leaders and the extent of the News Corp phone-hacking scandal. (6:24)

>> Stephen: WELCOME BACK,EVERYBODY, MY GUEST TONIGHT

HAS WRITTEN A BOOK ABOUT THEMAN BEHIND FOX NEWS AND THE

GOOD EL FIDDLE CONTEST THATMADE IT ALL POSSIBLE.

PLEASE WELCOME.

DAVID, THANKS SO MUCH.

HUGE, HUGE FALLKENFLICK FANS,IN 2004 YOU HAVE BEEN NPR'S

MEDIA CORRESPONDENT, YOU'REMORNING EDITION, ALL THINGS

CONSIDERED.

YOU'RE ON THERE WITH YOURNPR LIBERAL BIAS TALKING

ABOUT THE MEDIA RIGHT, ALLRIGHT?

WELL, THE MEDIA BIAS HASBLED OUT TO YET ANOTHER

BOOK.

THIS ONE CALLED MURDOCH'SWORLD, THE LAST OF THE OLD

MEDIA EMPIRES.

OKAY.

I'LL BITE.

WHAT IS SO TERRIBLE ABOUTRUPERT MURDOCH?

>> HE'S A SUCCESSFULBUSINESSMAN.

>> SURE.

>> Stephen: IS THAT YOURPROBLEM WITH HIM BECAUSE

HE'S PROFIT AND YOU WORK FORA NONPROFIT?

ARE YOU JEALOUS, IS THISJEALOUSY.

>> NOT SOME OF.

THIS IS ABOUT A GUY WHO ITHINK IS IN MANY WAYS THE

MOST INFLUENTIAL MEDIAFIGURE IN THE ENGLISH SPEAK

WORLD.

>> Stephen: EXCUSE ME --.

>> NO, NO, NO.

GO AHEAD, WE'LL EDIT THATOUT.

HE IS THE GUY WHO HAS BENTPOLITICIANS TO HIS WILL,

SENT PEOPLE SPEAKING TO BEPRESIDENT, PRIME MINISTERS,

EVEN ASPIRING POPES TOTRAVEL THOUSANDS OF MILES TO

MEET WITH HIM.

>> Stephen: POPES?

HE'S GOT THE POPE ON A ROPE?

>> ONE OF THE MANY THINGSYOU MAY NOT KNOW ABOUT

MURDOCH HE IS HE ANDACTUALLY A PAPAL KNIGHT.

>> Stephen: THE KNIGHT OFMALTA.

>> HE WAS GIVEN A PAPALKNIGHTSHIP IN 1998 IN I

BELIEVE IN RESPONSE TO SOMEOF HIS PHILANTHROPY TOWARDS

THE ARCHDIOCESE OF LOSANGELES.

HERE IS A GUY WHO HASACTUALLY FASCINATINGLY NAKED

WOMEN ON PAGE 3 OF THELARGEST SELLING DAILY IN THE

U.K., THE SUN TABLOID ANDALSO HONORED BY THE POPE.

>> Stephen: JUST ON PAGE 3SHOWING WHAT GOD GAVE THEM.

ALL RIGHT SO, HOW MUCH DOESHE OWN, WHAT ARE SOME OF THE

PROPERTIES HE OWNS.

>> .

>> Stephen: OR WHAT DOESN'TOWN.

>> IN THIS COUNTRY THETHINGS WE KNOW BEST, "THE

NEW YORK POST", "THE WALLSTREET JOURNAL," ONE OF THE

BEST NEWSPAPERS IN THERECORD, A LITTLE FAMILIAR.

AND FOX NEWS.

IN THE U.K. HE CONTROLS OVERA THIRD THIRD OF ALL

NATIONAL NEWSPAPERSERKLATION.

IN AUSTRALIA HE CONTROLSBETWEEN 65 AND 70% OF MAJOR

DAILY NEWSPAPER CIRCULATIONSO HE IS A MAJOR FIGURE IN

THE TWO OTHER COUNTRIES ASWELL AS OUR OWN.

>> Stephen: WHY WOULD YOUWANT TO CROSS SOMEBODY THAT

POWERFUL.

BECAUSE I'M GUESSING YOU SAYSOME THINGS IN HERE THAT HE

MIGHT HAVE HIS TEAM OFINTERNET ATTACK DOGS COME

AFTER YOU FOR.

>> I WILL BE LOOKING FOR THERESPONSE OF YOUR SPAM BUT I

THINK IN SOME WAYS-- .

>> Stephen: SPAM BOTHS ARECRAVING FOX NEWSMENT I WILL

SHOW YOU SOME OF THE LATESTONES IN THE LAST COUPLE OF

MINUTES.

SEE WHAT WE GOT HERE.

ELIZABETH HASSLEBECKGROWINGLY PORTRAYS MICHELLE

MALKIN AS SOMEONE WITHABSOLUTELY NO SENSE OF HER

OWN MONSTROSITY.

>> SEE, WHAT HUMAN WOULDCOME UP WITH THAT I THINK

RATHER THAN SAYING WHY WOULDYOU WANT TO BE NEGATIVE

ABOUT THIS GUY, I THINK HE'SFASCINATING AND COMPLEX.

WHATTED REALLY LEAD ME TOHIM WAS AFTER COVERING NEWS

OUTLET FORCE MANY YEARS IN2011 A FEW SUMMERS AGO THERE

WAS A HACKING SCANDAL IN THEU.K..

>> Stephen: I HAVEN'T HEARDMUCH ABOUT THAT ON FOX NEWS.

>> NOT SOME OF.

SO IN THE U.K. ON TRIALRIGHT NOW IS THE FORMER

HAND-PICKED C.E.O. OFMURDOCH'S BRITISH NEWSPAPER

DIVISION.

AND ALSO THE FORMER EDITORIN CHIEF OF THE NEWS WORLD

TABLOID WHICH USED TO BE THELARGEST SELLING SUNDAY PAPER

IN GREAT BRITAIN AND WENT ONTO THE CHIEF PR GUY FOR THE

PRIME MINISTER, DAVIDCAMERON.

THEY ARE ON TRIAL FORBREAKING INTO THE VOICE-MAIL

MESSAGES OF PEOPLE IN THEU.K..

>> Stephen: IT'S CALLEDINVESTIGATIVE JOURNALISM.

>> IT IS A DIFFERENT KIND OFINVESTIGATIVE JOURNALISM.

>> Stephen: HOW DID YOU GETTHE INFORMATION ON THIS, DID

YOU HACK INTO HIS PHONE.

>> I DID SOMETHING CALLEDREPORTING.

IT INVOLVED A LOT OFINTERVIEWS, WELL OVER 100

PEOPLE.

>> Stephen: BUT NOTEVERYTHING YOU COULD HAVE

GOT.

>> IF YOU WOULD HAD HACKMOOD HIS PHONE MAIL WOW HAVE

LEARNED MORE, TRUE OR FALSE.

>> I PROBABLY WOULD HAVELEARNED MORE, TRUE.

>> Stephen: SO THEY AREBETTER JOURNALISTS THAN ARE

YOU.

>> PERHAPS SO I THINKTHAT-- I THINK A LOT OF FEEL

IN GREAT BRITAIN THINKOTHERWISE BECAUSE AMONG THE

PEOPLE THAT WERE HACKED.

>> Stephen: THEY'RE ENGLISHWHO CARES.

>> I KNOW BUT AMONG THEPEOPLE WHO WERE HACKED WERE

NOT ONLY JUST CELEBRITIES,NOT ONLY POLITICIANS, SOWN

AS UNIVERSITILY CORRUPT ANDPHILANDERING BUT PEOPLE WHO

WERE THE VICTIMS OF CRIMES,A 13-YEAR-OLD GIRL WHO HAD

BEEN ABDUCTED AND MURDERHEAD HER PHONE HACKED AND IT

TURNED OUT THOUSANDS OFOTHERS WERE TARGETED AS

WELL.

PEOPLE WHO WERE THE VICTIMSOF TERRORIST STRIKES, JULY

2005 IN THE.

CAN.

BRITISH WAR DEAD IN IRAQAND AFGHANISTAN THERE WAS A

YOUNG GIRL WHO WAS ALSOABDUCTED AND KILLED.

GIVEN A PHONE BY REBECCABROOKS THE HEAD OF TABLOID

THERE AND THEN SHE SAID YOUCAN CALL ME ANY TIME, USE

THE CELL PHONE NOR ANYTHINGYOU NEED, THAT PHONE WAS

HACKED BY REBECCA'S OWNREPORTERS.

>> Stephen: ARE YOU SAYINGTHAT MURDOCH KNEW ABOUT

THESE THINGS.

>> THAT'S AN IMPORTANTQUESTION.

>> Stephen: IT IS, I JUSTASKED IT.

>> SO THERE IS NO SENSE THATMURDOCH FEW ABOUT THAT,

THERE IS A SENSE THAT HECONTINUALLY PUSHED THE

TABLOID TO FIND OUT GREATERAND GREATER DEGREE OF GOSSIP

AND NEWS.

PUSHED THEM RELENTLESSLY INAN AGE OF HAVING TO COMPETE

AGAINST THE INTERNET SITES.

BUT IT WAS ALSO IN A CULTUREIN WHICH HE HAD SO MUCH

POWER THROUGH HIS NEWSPAPERSAND INFLUENCE IT AN POLITICS

THAT POLITICIANS WEREUNWILLING TO CHECK ANY

BEHAVIOR THAT WERE THEPROBLEM.

IT TURNED OUT THAT ACCORDINGTO CREDIBLE ALLEGATIONS, A

LOT OF POLICE WERE ON THECASE TAKING BRIBES FROM

MURDOCH'S JOURNALISTS INSUCH A WAY THAT THEY DIDN'T

HAVE A LOT OF INCENTIVE TOFOLLOW ON JUST -- OBJECTIONS

TO WHETHER THERE WAS ILLEGALBEHAVIOR O YOU ARING CAN IT

TURNED OUT TOP OFFICIALS HADTO RESIGN IN THE WAKE OF THE

REVELATIONS OF HACKING IN2011 BECAUSE IT TURNED OUT

THEY ACCEPTED THOUSANDS OFDOLLARS IN THINGS LIKE MEALS,

THAT THE COMMISSIONERACCEPTED A SPA TREATMENT

WORTH OVER 13,000 POUNDSFROM A FRIEND OF REBECCA.

AND SO-- .

>> Stephen: WHAT WOULD YOUHAVE DONE AT A SPA FOR

13,000 POUNDS.

>> APPARENTLY A VERY NICESPA.

>> Stephen: THAT IS THEHAPPIEST ENDS I HAVE EVER

HEARD OF.

(APPLAUSE)>> Stephen: DAVID, THANK YOU

SO MUCH.

DAVID, MURDOCH'S WORLD,WE'LL BE RIGHT BACK.